If the United States Is Broken, Can It Be Fixed?

FreeRepublic ^ | 4/17/2002 | B. A. Conservative

[B. A. Conservative]

"..if folks decline to participate in debate or discussion, their mute dull tide of ignorance will still carry the day."

Valid point, and well said. I hope that anyone viewing these threads will give that some consideration and offer some suggestions. It should be abundantly clear from what I have previously said, that I have serious doubts about the viability of the United States as a nation. I have had trouble deciding whether to be a die-hard in trying to resurrect a dying beast that abandoned its own way of life hoping to breathe new freedom into its slave-mongering ways. There are two other choices: simply let nature take its course and stay out of the way of the crash and its aftermath or even to see if the crash can be avoided by separating now and showing the hope of a new path.

Since this forum could provide knowledgeable people interested in these choices, I was hoping to foster a discussion of the various possibilities and the consequences of each.

So far I have not been able to spawn much discussion. There are clearly people interested, but most are too busy to participate or have other fish to fry for themselves. The lack of participation makes me think there is very little reason for hope in saving the cratering beast, leaving getting out of the way or putting it out of its misery as quickly as possible as the best options for me.

[tacticalogic]

I wonder how many Americans perceive that FDIC, flood insurance, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, FHA, 90% of all mortgages written in the United States for the last five years, farm programs, school lunches, and a list that numbers in the thousands of other programs are all federally subsidized socialist programs.

These are all symptoms. Virtually all of these programs exist by virtue of misrepresentation of the Welfare and Commerce Clauses of the Constitution.

Transfering any substantial amount of power from states and individual to the federal government through creative semantics in lieu of amendment is about as short sighted as carrying gasoline in a styrofoam cooler.

[blueriver]

Of late the only "political" person that seams to have America's best interests at heart is Pat Buchanan. Unfortunately the powers that decide who our politions are would never let him into "our" government.

[teeman8r]

the situation that america finds itself in at the present time must be allowed to take its inevitable course, where the socialistic government breaks the bank and backs of its people... my view is to stay away from the fray, and protect what is mine and defend to the death those dearest to me...

when will the collapse happen, all signs point to yes

[GraniteStateConservative]

And more pro-choice than Clintoon (though no one seemed to notice).

[Wave Rider]

A Lose SCREW that was and just think how many people fell for him, that just shows you people of today doesn't have what it takes to do the research on someone or think through things before they sign on the dotted line much less know when to change their own Dippers....

[berned]

The United States IS broken. As to whether it can be fixed, I take a different perspective.

I believe God is Sovereign over all things on the Earth, including the rise and fall of Empires, because He has seen through to the end of time. Therefore, God knows whether or not America will be saved. My guess is that it WILL be saved, one last time.

The way I see it, Clinton has left behind a criminal house of cards, that if uncovered and exposed, would rock this country FAR more than 9/11. I believe he stays safe because he & Hillary have dirt on the Republicans, (especially Bush Sr.) and so there is a sort of political M.A.D. between Clinton and Bush.

However, if God wants to truly shake up America, and turn us back to Him, uncovering & exposing these serious treasonous, murderous crimes will be more effective than anything else I could think of.

So... this is my current working theory: (which you can all laugh at)... I believe God is waiting for the perfect, optimal time to expose the gut-sickening criminality of the Clinton Administration, (and others), that will cause a deep desire in millions of Americans to reclaim the morals and values they willingly threw away in order to justify their votes for Clinton/democrats. This, I believe, will in turn, lead to a spiritual revival in this country that will be unparalelled in our history...

This will lead to the crash of the American liberal Media, which will then lead to the creation of a Superstate in Europe (because the EU must counter an Ultra-conservative, God-fearing America, and can no longer hope to do so "bloodlessly", by controlling the majority of us through our left-wing Big Media, and schools)

Then, The Rapture will happen, decimating America, but leaving the United States of Europe virtually untouched. Followed by One World Govt. and the AntiChrist/Tribulation. Just a working hunch, but as I peer through the dim outlines of the future, that is what I (think) I see on the horizon. Maybe.

[truth_seeker]

One of the big features would be to do away with elections. Representatives and members of the Electorial College would be chosen by lot.

With brilliant ideas like this, one wouldn't expect such an effort to go far, would one? What your other "big features?" Can't wait to hear.

[Rule of Law]

With brilliant ideas like this, one wouldn't expect such an effort to go far, would one?

You don't like the idea of Representatives and electors chosen by lot? Personally I think it would be an improvement. We could not possibly do any worse then the people we have in Congress now, and we might certainly do better.

Plus, the idea would remove the constant posturing for election we see form our politicians. It would do away with the permanent political class we now have. Representatives who knew that they would have to go live among the people after their term in office would be much less likely to pass laws that had an adverse effect on the people. There would be no incentive to give power to Washington because the representatives would know they wouldn't be in Washington long.

The absence of elections would also mean there would be no campaigns. Thus no campaign contributions. And no shakedowns of corporations by politicians for campaign contributions. This means less corruption. Add in the fact that many, if not most of the people chisen would be good, honest citizens, we might have a government we could be proud of instead of the cess-pit we have in Washington today.

Political parties, or factions as Washington rightfully called them, would be a thing of the past. With no elections, there is no need to have a party. They wouldn't control the representatives since they wouldn't be needed to "get out the vote."

Plus, our government would be truly representative of the people -- because they would be the people.

I can see significant benefits in this plan. But I would be interested in hearing your objections.

[truth_seeker]

You don't like the idea of Representatives and electors chosen by lot? Personally I think it would be an improvement.

Well, here is another equally great idea. Let's give all the land back to the Indians. Great idea; ain't going to happen. So much for hypothetical cases. I don't have enough time to waste time with hypothetical things. The real world is plenty challenging, so I live, work and think about it.

In fact the real world is a much more challenging thing, than playing with hypothetical cases. You should try it, for a change.

I can see significant benefits in this plan. But I would be interested in hearing your objections.

My objection is that it is a hypothetical exercise; wholly unrealistic. To comment further is a waste of time.

[Rule of Law]

My objection is that it is a hypothetical exercise; wholly unrealistic. To comment further is a waste of time.

You were the one who asked for my comments. I didn't seek you out. But the reason to discuss hypothetical concepts is that they can help us understand where we are now and help us get ideas for how to fix our problems.

For instance, the politicians in Washington say there is a huge problem with the way campaigns are run. That the current system leads to unbridled corruption. Their remedy is to eviserate the First Amendment. Surely, it makes sense to discuss alternate means of solving this problem.

I have proposed an alternative. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. Don't post.

[dpa5923]

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