[FF578]

I am disgusted by the immoral, indecent, hedonistic, libertarian freaks on this forum.

No only is "virtual" child pornography immoral, ALL Pornography is immoral.

Tell me libertarian fools, why were we so wrong at the founding of our nation (see the above decision) and okay now?

Tell me why the judges in the above decision was wrong? Enlighten us with your hedonistic wisdom.

I find it amusing that Washington, Madison and the other founders did not oppose a law that forbid ALL pornography, as well as laws that forbid blasphemy, fornication, adultery and other immoral sins, yet we are told by libertarians that all the founders support the hedonistic religion known as libertarianism.

The facts are clear, in early America, In fact, in America all the way up until the 60's PORN WAS IMMORAL, ILLEGAL, INDECENT, and FORBIDDEN UNDER LAW!!!!! What makes the America of 2002 so enlightened that we did not all see back in the first couple hundred years of our existance.

The Barbarians are at the gates my friends. In fact, the barbarians have started to enter.

Indeed I tremble for my country, when I reflect that God is just, and His justice cannot sleep forever.

[FF578]

Has anyone else realized that the libertarians never debate points, they always fall back to the old leftist tactic of comparing apples to oranges.

They will use illusions to Gun Control and call of us who support morality and morals Control Freaks. This is a strawman.

I doubt that anyone one of us who is opposed to this decision, is against Guns, but the libertarians want to make it seem that way.

This decision was wrong. Our founders would never have supported it. I have yet to have a libertarian hedonist explain step by step why the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania was wrong in 1815, and the Pedophiles on the Supreme Court in 2002 were right today.

[general_re]

The judges in the case you quote from, Commonwealth v. Sharpless, were not wrong by modern standards in one sense, but in another sense, they were. If you knew the background of the case, you'd know that.

Good old Jesse Sharpless was, in 1815, arrested and charged with obscenity after it came to light that he had been charging some of his neighbors for the privilege of viewing his prized possession, an oil painting depicting a man and woman engaged in intercourse. Despite there being no Pennsylvania statute against obscenity, the court found that obscenity was a common-law offense, and his conviction was upheld upon review.

Of course, nowadays, just as back then, obscenity is still a recognized exception to First Amendment free specch guarantees. Just as in 1815, obscenity is still not protected speech. So as far as that's concerned, you're wrong about the disagreement between that court and modern courts.

Secondly, 1815 was long before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment. I know discussion of the validity of the 14'th is a popular topic around here, but let me simply summarazie by saying that, in 1815, there was little reason to think that the First Amendment applied (or even should apply) to state actors, rather than federal ones. Nowadays, of course, the answer to to that question is completely the opposite. The difference between then and now is that now, the Bill of Rights applies to the states per the 14'th Amendment, but back then, it didn't. QED.

[steve-b]

why were we so wrong at the founding of our nation (see the above decision) and okay now?

The superior morality of early times.

[misterman]

I am disgusted by the immoral, indecent, hedonistic, libertarian freaks on this forum. No only is "virtual" child pornography immoral, ALL Pornography is immoral.

Ok, so what's your point? What do your morals have to do with the US Constitution?

Tell me libertarian fools, why were we so wrong at the founding of our nation (see the above decision) and okay now?

I don't know, maybe for the same reason we were so wrong at the founding of our nation about slavery...

Tell me why the judges in the above decision was wrong? Enlighten us with your hedonistic wisdom.
I find it amusing that Washington, Madison and the other founders did not oppose a law that forbid ALL pornography, as well as laws that forbid blasphemy, fornication, adultery and other immoral sins, yet we are told by libertarians that all the founders support the hedonistic religion known as libertarianism.

And I find it amusing that Washington, Madison and the other founders did not oppose slavery. Maybe we could go back to those good ol' days when we could own people, and our country was filled with moral righteousness. How did we get so lost? How did this country lose it's way? Whatever happened to the good ol' days when certain people couldn't vote, couldn't drink at the water fountain, or couldn't even leave the plantation?

The facts are clear, in early America, In fact, in America all the way up until the 60's PORN WAS IMMORAL, ILLEGAL, INDECENT, and FORBIDDEN UNDER LAW!!!!! What makes the America of 2002 so enlightened that we did not all see back in the first couple hundred years of our existance.

The facts are clear, in early America, In fact, in America all the way up until the 60's BLACKS COULDN'T SIT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUS, COULDN'T SIT AT THE LUNCH COUNTER, AND COULDN'T EVEN GO TO COLLEGE UNDER LAW!!!! What makes the America of 2002 so enlightened that we did not all see back in the first couple hundred years of our existance.

The Barbarians are at the gates my friends. In fact, the barbarians have started to enter.

Indeed I tremble for my country, when I reflect that God is just, and His justice cannot sleep forever.

Indeed I tremble for my country as well, when I ponder the possiblity of people like you making the laws and destroying the Constitution with your moral highmindedness.