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Shooting breaks out at Nativity Church
UK Yahoo News ^ | April 16, 2002 | Reuters

Posted on 04/16/2002 5:49:34 PM PDT by history_matters

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian gunmen hiding in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity have exchanged fire with Israeli soldiers who have surrounded the traditional birthplace of Jesus in a two-week-old standoff.

Fransiscan Father Seweryn Lubecki, who is one of several dozen Christian clerics stranded in the church after Palestinian gunmen burst in two weeks ago, said the fighting lasted for about an hour.

"We could hear heavy rifle and tank shooting. It is hard for us to determine who started the shooting. We are locked up and we could not see the whole thing," he told Reuters by telephone.

"It seems that the basilica was not damaged. The Israeli soldiers are very careful not to damage it," he said.

Mohammed Al-Madani, the governor of Bethlehem who is among those holed-up inside, said the Israelis had tried to storm the church but failed.

"They tried to get in, but they couldn't," he told Reuters by telephone. "There are no injuries, thank God."

The army said in a statement: "Palestinian opened fire at Israeli forces who fired back at the source of the fire."

Israeli forces who invaded Bethlehem two weeks ago besieged the shrine after dozens of gunmen burst into the church compound to seek refuge with some 50 monks, priests and nuns.

Israeli officials say around 30 gunmen in the church were wanted for deadly attacks against Israelis and the forces would not leave until they either surrendered and were put on trial in Israel or agreed to accept safe-passage into exile.

Bethlehem's governor Madani has rejected the plan.

FLARES IN BETHLEHEM SKY

During the exchange, four flares lit up the sky, while the church bell rang in the background.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Israeli television in an interview U.S. Central Intelligence Agency officials had mediated the deal to end the impasse but it had not yet received Palestinian Authority approval.

He said some of the gunmen were involved in militant attacks in which American citizens were killed.

"Those who are not involved in terror acts and are not members of terror groups will be released and those who are involved must decide between standing trial in Israel...or being expelled," Sharon said.

Israel has said it has no intention of storming the church. Asked about Israeli plans, Major Tal Ravlan, an army spokesman, said: "There are a few alternatives to storming the church but I would not like to get into it right now."

A statement from Palestinians inside, which was sent to a local hospital official, said the army was arresting family members to put them under pressure to give themselves up.

The Israeli army said it only arrested people it suspected of "terrorist" activity and did not use arrests to exert any psychological pressure on others.

Earlier, the Israeli army evacuated two Palestinians needing medical attention from the church in a military ambulance. The Israeli army said both men, one of them wounded by gunshot wounds several days ago, were placed under arrest.

Israeli soldiers on Tuesday occupied the top floor of a hotel overlooking the church complex. Ravlan said the army would be staying for two to three days, but did not give any reasons.


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This LINK should take you to a discussion about the situation at the Church of the Holy Nativity between Fr. Peter Vasko, OFM and Fr. Mitch Pacwa, SJ.
1 posted on 04/16/2002 5:49:34 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: viadexter; pax_et_bonum; Romulus; GenXFreedomFighter; B-Chan; Trebics; NYer; Lady In Blue...
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2 posted on 04/16/2002 5:50:09 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
There must be some important islam-fascists in that building. Hope they don't get away...and I'm disappointed that fellow christians seem to be aiding them
3 posted on 04/16/2002 5:52:43 PM PDT by metacognative
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To: metacognative
Have a look at the link I posted above. It may help you understand a bit about the Christians inside the Church which is the oldest living Church in the Holy Land.
4 posted on 04/16/2002 5:54:33 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
gunmen burst into the church compound to seek refuge with some 50 monks, priests and nuns.

They BROKE into the church to desecrate it and hold captive the priests and nuns inside. The palestinian terrorist have no concern about Christian places of worship as they routinely desecrated and destroyed them in Lebanon. REMEMBER: Damour, 1976.

5 posted on 04/16/2002 5:54:42 PM PDT by Lent
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To: history_matters
Stand trial ... or be expelled?

None of this makes any sense.

6 posted on 04/16/2002 5:55:06 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Lent
The Franciscans disagree with you with regard to the current situation. Please see the link above where Fr. Peter Vasko, OFM of the Custody of the Holy Land insists that the Christians are not hostages but are choosing to stay there and protect the holy site as they have for the last 800 years.
7 posted on 04/16/2002 5:56:40 PM PDT by history_matters
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8 posted on 04/16/2002 5:57:14 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: history_matters
We are locked up and we could not see the whole thing," he told Reuters by telephone.

Hey,I thought they weren't hostages?

9 posted on 04/16/2002 5:57:22 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Lent
Lent, can you remind some of us what the "Palestinians" (?) did in Damour in 1976? If I recall, it was something against the Lebanese Christians. Helped lay the groundwork for Sabra and Chatila.
10 posted on 04/16/2002 5:58:29 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Askel5
Consider Howlingly's post

This is where the illogic jumps out at you. There are hundreds - thousands - of suicide bombers and gunmen to replace the ones in the Church of the Nativity. If Israel was interested in their own real security and long-term diplomatic interests, they would pull back and let the Palestinian gunmen in the Church leave without incident.

Very little makes sense with all of this. But our eyes are all on the place of Jesus' birth, and that tells me something is afoot. So I pray hard.

11 posted on 04/16/2002 6:00:07 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: mdittmar
They are guarding the Holy Site. They locked themselves in and yet are captive as they are guarding the Church with their lives.
12 posted on 04/16/2002 6:00:42 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: history_matters
insists that the Christians are not hostages but are choosing to stay there and protect the holy site

Then I'm confused by what I saw last weekend on Fox. They showed two Franciscan friars who were allowed to leave the church. When asked by the media if they were held hostage, the gist of what they replied was, "They had guns. What do you think?"

13 posted on 04/16/2002 6:01:02 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: mdittmar
They aren't. English is not Father Seweryn's first language.
14 posted on 04/16/2002 6:02:10 PM PDT by history_matters
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I'm very concerned about the church and the innocent Christians trapped inside it too. But your view of the matter is far too one-sided.
15 posted on 04/16/2002 6:02:40 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: tomahawk

The Massacre and Destruction of Damour

Damour lay across the Sidon - Beirut highway about 20 km south of Beirut on the slopes of a foothill of the Lebanon range. On the other side of the road, beyond a flat stretch of coast, is the sea. It was a town of some 25,000 people, containing five churches, three chapels, seven schools, private and public, and one public hospital where Muslims from near by villages were treated along with the Christians, at the expense of the town.

On 9 January 1976, three days after Epiphany, the priest of Damour Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite custom of blessing the houses with holy water. As he stood in front of a house on the side of the town next to the Muslim village of Harat Na’ami, a bullet whistled past his ear and hit the house. Then he heard the rattle of machine-guns. He went inside the house, and soon learned that the town was surrounded. Later he found out by whom and how many — the forces of Sa’iqa, consisting of 16,000 Palestinians and Syrians, and units of the Mourabitoun and some fifteen other militias, reinforced by mercenaries from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and a contingent of Libyans.

Father Labaky telephoned the Muslim sheikh of the district and asked him, as a fellow religious leader, what he could do to help the people of the town. ‘I can do nothing,’ he was told ‘They want to harm you. It is the Palestinians. I cannot stop them.'

While the shooting and some shelling went on all day, Father Labaky telephoned a long list of people, politicians of both the Left and the Right, asking for help. They all said with apologies and commiserations that they could do nothing. Then he telephoned Kamal Jumblatt, in whose parliamentary constituency Damour lay. ‘Father,’ Jumblatt said, ‘I can do nothing for you, because it depends on Yasser Arafat.’ He gave Arafat’s phone number to the priest.

An aide answered, and when he would not call Arafat himself, Father Labaky told him, ‘The Palestinians are shelling and shooting at my town. I can assure you as a religious leader, we do not want the war, we do not believe in violence.’ He added that nearly half the people of Damour had voted for Kamal Jumblatt, ‘who is backing you,’ he reminded the PLO man. The reply was, ‘Father, don’t worry. We don’t want to harm you. If we are destroying you it is for strategical reasons.
Father Labaky did not feel that there was any less cause for worry because the destruction was for strategical reasons, and he persisted in asking for Arafat to call off his fighters. In the end the aide said that they, PLO headquarters, would ‘tell them to stop shooting’.

By then it was eleven o’clock in the evening. As the minutes passed and the shooting still went on, Father Labaky called Jumblatt again on the telephone and told him what Arafat’s aide had said. Jumblatt’s advice was that the priest should keep trying to make contact with Arafat, and call other friends of his, ‘because’, he said, ‘I do not trust him’.

At about half-past eleven the telephone, water and electricity were all cut off. The first invasion of the town came in the hour after midnight, from the side where the priest had been shot at earlier in the day. The Sa’iqa men stormed into the houses. They massacred some fifty people in the one night. Father Labaky heard screaming and went out into the street. Women came running to him in their nightdresses, ‘tearing their hair, and shouting “They are slaughtering us!” The survivors, deserting that end of the town, moved into the area round the next church. The invaders then occupied the part of  the town they had taken. Father Labaky describes the scene:

'In the morning I managed to get to the one house despite the shelling to bring out some of the corpses. And I remember something which still frightens me. An entire family had been killed, the Can’an family, four children all dead, and the mother, the father, and the grandfather. The mother was still hugging one of the children. And she was pregnant. The eyes of the children were gone and their limbs were cut off. No legs and no arms. It was awful. We took them away in a banana truck. And who carried the corpses with me? The only survivor, the brother ofthe man. His name is Samir Can’an. He carried with me the remains of his brother, his father, his sister-in-law and the poor children. We buried them in the cemetery, under the shells of the PLO. And while I was burying them, more corpses were found in the street.'
The town tried to defend itself. Two hundred and twenty-five young men, most of them about sixteen years old, armed with hunting guns and none with military training, held out for twelve days. The citizens huddled in basements, with sandbags piled in front of their doors and ground-floor windows. Father Labaky moved from shelter to shelter to visit the families and take them bread and milk. He went often ‘to encourage the young men defending the town’. The relentless pounding the town received resulted in massive damage. In the siege that had been established on 9 January the Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded. Infants and children died of dehydration. Only three more townspeople were killed as a result of PLO fire between the first night and the last day, 23 January. But on that day, when the final onslaught came, hundreds of the Christians were killed. Father Labaky goes on:
'The attack took place from the mountain behind. It was an apocalypse. They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar! God is great! Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad ‘And they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children. '
Whole families were killed in their homes. Many women were gang-raped, and few of them left alive afterwards. One woman saved her adolescent daughter from rape by smearing her face with washing blue to make her look repulsive. As the atrocities were perpetrated, the invaders themselves took photographs and later offered the pictures for sale to European newspapers. Survivors testify to what happened. A young girl of sixteen, Soumavya Ghanimeh, witnessed the shooting of her father and brother by two of the invaders, and watched her own home and the other houses in her street being looted and burned. She explained:
'As they were bringing me through the street the houses were burning all about me. They had about ten trucks standing in front of the houses and were piling things into them. I remember how frightened I was of the fire. I was screaming. And for months afterwards I couldn’t bear anyone to strike a match near me. I couldn’t bear the smell of it'.
She and her mother Mariam, and a younger Sister and infant brother, had been saved from being shot in their house when she ran behind one Palestinian for protection from the pointing gun of the other, and cried out ‘Don’t let him kill us!’; and the man accepted the role of protector which the girl had suddenly assigned to him. ‘If you kill them you will have to kill me too,’ he told his comrade. So the four of them were spared, herded along the streets between the burning houses to be put into a truck, and trans-ported to Sabra camp in Beirut. There they were kept in a crowded prison hut. ‘We had to sleep on the ground, and it was bitterly cold.’
When eventually Father Labaky found the charred bodies of the father and brother in the Ghanimeh house ‘you could no longer tell whether they were men or women’.

In a frenzy to destroy their enemies utterly, as if even the absolute limits ofnature could not stop them, the invaders broke open tombs and flung the bones of the dead into the streets.Those who escaped from the first attack tried to flee by any means they could, with cars, carts, cycles and motorbikes. Some went on foot to the seashore to try to get away in boats. But the sea was rough and the wait for rescue was long, while they knew their enemies might fall upon them at any moment.

Some 500 gathered in the Church of St Elias. Father Labaky went there at six in the morning when the tumult of the attack awakened him. He preached a sermon on the meaning of the slaughter of innocents. And he told them candidly that he did not know what to tell them to do. ‘If I say flee to the sea, you may be killed. If I say stay here, you may be killed.’

An old man suggested that they raise a white flag. ‘Perhaps if we surrender they may spare us.' Father Labaky gave him his surplice. He put it on the processional cross and stood it in front of the church. Ten minutes later there was a knock on the door, three quick raps, then three lots of three. They were petrified. Father Labaky said that he would go and see who was there. If it was the enemy, they might spare them. ‘But if they kill us, at least we shall die all together and we’ll have a nice parish in Heaven, 500 persons, and no check points!’ They laughed, and the priest went to the door.

It was not the enemy but two men of Damour who had fled the town and had seen the white flag from the seashore. They had come back to warn them that it would not help to raise a flag. ‘We raised a flag in front of Our Lady, and they shot at us.’

Again they discussed what could be done. The priest told them that one thing they must do, although it was ‘impossible’, was to pray for the forgiveness of those who were coming to kill them. As they prayed, two of the young defenders of the town who had also seen the flag walked in and said, ‘Run to the seashore now, and we will cover you.

The two youths stood in front of the church and shot in the direction from which the fedayeen were firing. It took ten minutes for all the people in the church to leave the town. All 500 got away except one old man who said he could not walk and would prefer to die in front of his own house. He was not killed. Father Labaky found him weeks later in a PLO prison, and heard what had happened after they left.

A few minutes after they had gone, ‘the PLO came and bombed the church without entering it. They kicked open the door and threw in the grenades.’ They would all have been killed had they stayed.

The priest led his flock along the shore to the palace of Camille Chamoun. But when they got there they found it had already been sacked and partly burnt. They found shelter, however, in the palace of a Muslim, who ‘did not agree with the Palestinians’, and then got into small boats Which took them out to a bigger boat, in which they sailed to Jounieh. ‘One poor woman had to give birth to her baby in the little open boat on the rough winter sea.’

In all, 582 people were killed in the storming of Damour. Father Labaky went back with the Red Cross to bury them. Many of the bodies had been dismembered, so they had to count the heads to number the dead. Three of the men they found had had their genitals cut off and stuffed into their mouths.

The horror did not end there, the old Christian cemetery was also destroyed, coffins were dug up, the dead robbed, vaults opened, and bodies and skeletons thrown across the grave yard. Damour was then transformed into a stronghold of Fatah and the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine). The ruined town became one of the main PLO centres for the promotion of international terrorism. The Church of St Elias was used as a repair garage for PLO vehicles and also as a range for shooting-practice with targets painted on the eastern wall of the nave.

The commander of the combined forces which descended on Damour on 23 January 1976 was Zuhayr Muhsin, chief of al-Sa’iqa, known since then throughout Christian Lebanon as 'the Butcher of Damour'. He was assassinated on 15 July 1979 at Cannes in the South of France.
 

Post Script

I was sent the following email in November 2001:
 

Good morning,

 I’m Elie from Damour, I do appreciate very much the publication of the

“The Massacre and Destruction of Damour” on you’re site.

 In 1976, I was a young child and till now I still remember those horrifying days leaving our homes heading to Our lady of Damour church then Sainte Elie Church and finally to the Chamoon Sadiat castle, where we left in a cows cargo ship to Jounieh. Even my mother kept back, for remembering, the cloths we where wearing and it was the only thing we took with us.

We do lost 2 close relative in our family, they where fighting with hunting guns to protect us. Not mentioning the others relatives and neighbours massacred.

Father Mansour Labake, was very close to all the families in Damour.

He did celebrate the mass ceremony for the rebuilding of Our Lady church in 2000, and he’s supervising the reconstruction on the Our Lady and Sainte Elie churches.

We, my family, and me did returned to Damour a few years ago and reconstruct our burned home and we’re living there since.

I left Lebanon for a job opportunity that I hade but always in the hope that I might return as soon as possible to my lovely village, where all my cousins’ and uncles had returned or now rebuilding their houses.

Thank you again for this lovely memory page.

I’ll send the link of you’re site to all the friends I know.
 

Take care and God bless you all.

Elie

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/2587/damour.html

16 posted on 04/16/2002 6:03:27 PM PDT by Lent
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To: BlessedBeGod
I share in that confusion, but I have known Father Vasko for a long time, and I trust that when he says they aren't hostages and they are doing their holy work -- I believe him. I hope the Father General/Guardian will clear that up. I know that they are offering Mass every day in the Holy Cave where everything remains lighted by candles.
17 posted on 04/16/2002 6:04:41 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Bull,they are hostages.

You can't protect crap if you are being held by armed gunmen.

I'm sure they would guard the church with their lives,but don't let these terrorist's who invded the church to save their own a$$es off the hook.

18 posted on 04/16/2002 6:05:02 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: history_matters
Agreed on our getting to the crunch time.

Not that I'm under any illusions that the Anti-Christ won't enjoy a good thousand year reign of Peace-Keeping and Prosperity once he finally shows his face.

Which face, I suspect, may be waiting in the wings until the progress of President Bush's "hopeful technologies" reach a breakthrough such that human mulch really can effect some sort of Sustainable "eternal life" ... supple skin, fresh vitals, intelligence enhancements, the works.

19 posted on 04/16/2002 6:05:49 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: history_matters
Fransiscan Father Seweryn Lubecki, who is one of several dozen Christian clerics stranded in the church after Palestinian gunmen burst in two weeks ago, said the fighting lasted for about an hour.

"We could hear heavy rifle and tank shooting. It is hard for us to determine who started the shooting. We are locked up and we could not see the whole thing," he told Reuters by telephone.

"It seems that the basilica was not damaged. The Israeli soldiers are very careful not to damage it," he said.

This is strikingly honest and brave on the part of Father Lubecki; most reports from Christians inside the church seem like they were just saying what those holding the church want them to say. I hope the Israelis have some realistic plan on how to get out of this particular little quagmire; my Christian friends here have been very patient with Israel on this, but the Monte Cassino solution, God forbid, is too horrid to contemplate.

20 posted on 04/16/2002 6:06:08 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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