Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 04/15/2002 6:06:27 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: swarthyguy
The real root cause of problems of the West is its adoption of Godless secularism that, along with its associated atheism, has led to its crass materialism, hedonism and moral and environmental decay. It has produced grave problems in its society, causing its disintegration, which is also very evident in its basic institution of the family. It is because of the absence of ethical and moral education that Western society is suffering from decadence, with constant increase in daily occurrences of crime and drug use, juvenile delinquency, violence, sex exploitation and abuse, along with rampant racism.

The above is the really tricky sneaky part of the argument. I have not doubt that many would agree with all or some of the criticisms expressed above, but none would advocate a heavy handed theocratic solution, least of all the one offered by the writer.

Admittedly, Muslim societies suffer from grave problems of economic and political leadership, but their family institutions are strong and they possess a long tradition of firmly established values emanating from their mosques and religious schools.

Strong enough to tolerate losing one out of a every few kids to "firmly established values emanating....."
Emanating is right!
2 posted on 04/15/2002 6:13:55 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: swarthyguy
Moral decay? Wouldn't that better describe Mohammed Atta: the lap dance scoring, liqour swilling, murdering jihadi along with their corrupt imams who send them out and the corrupt culture which fetes them?
3 posted on 04/15/2002 6:19:05 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: swarthyguy
The organizational contrast between Christianity and Islam could not be more complete. Christ wanted no part of the state: "my kingdom is not of this world". Early Christianity had no sacred texts. The Gospels were not written down until nearly 80 years after the Crucifixion. There was not even a Creed, or organized statement of doctrine, until the Council of Nicae (now part of Islamic Turkey) 185 years after Christ founded the Church. It had no organized source of financing. It had no army ("Put your sword into the sheath" John 18:11).

In contradistinction, Islam was created by Mohammed as a complete universe, encompassing both secular and sacred. It had a legal system, the sharia, a form of government based on descendance from the Prophet, the caliphate, a written koran, an army, the Companions and a source of revenue, the pilgrimage trade to Mecca, once to a meteor, hence renamed the haj.

Islam, its adherents claim, is "more than a religion". They are right. It is a world you enter, and from which there is no exit.

Christianity did not adopt the state, rather, the State adopted Christianity, for its own convenient purposes. Constantine, in particular, claimed it for the rather worldly purpose of winning a military battle. "In Hoc Signo Vinces". But despite the best efforts of Kings and medieval Popes, Christianity remained rooted in the spirit, and not in the world.

There is no Christian version of sharia law, or a caliphate, or an army (Stalin once asked, "how many divisions has the Pope?", or a haj. And, last time I checked, it had no version of a suicide bomber corps.
11 posted on 04/15/2002 6:39:21 PM PDT by wretchard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: swarthyguy
Btw, your link to the article isn't working for me.
14 posted on 04/15/2002 7:18:12 PM PDT by Post Toasties
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: swarthyguy
The problem is that secularism is a purely Western construct, developed in the particular European environment in response to Church excesses and the ensuing antagonism it produced...

Whereas, Islam which never has any excesses and is a religion of peace, has done nothing to provoke any antagonism. Infidels are antagonistic because that is a characteristic of infidels. You know what infidels are like dontcha?

NOT!

24 posted on 04/15/2002 8:07:15 PM PDT by Salman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexin'.
32 posted on 04/16/2002 9:31:39 AM PDT by denydenydeny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson