Registration: The NRA Paradigm

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 15 April 2002 | Russ Howard

[Hugin]

Can you document that OUTRAGEOUS claim? Wayne and the NRA has consistantly oppossed any any background checks on sales between private citizens at gun shows or anywhere else. What he has said is that sales by licensed dealers at gun shows are already subject to background checks, so there is no "gunshow loophole".

It's bad enough that some pro-gun groups slander the NRA to try to increase their membership and fund raising, but making up LIES goes too far.

[Gun Show Protection Union]

You bet I can! NRA Wayne, your buddy, was on CNBC, Chis Mathews, Hardball proram for two nights in a row. He said both times, "The NRA position on gun shows is that WE support background checks on ALL guns sold at gun shows and we still support the Dingell Amendment." This program aired the last week of May or the first week of June, 2001. Don't call me a liar when you don't know what you are talking about. You want to believe everything the NRS says. The NRA is responsible for the worst law we have ever had, the NICS system. The brady bill was due to sunset,which was only on HANDGUNS until the NRA came up with the NICS and they said they would do background checks on all guns including LONG GUNS. Thanks to the NRA we have to get permission from the US Government everytime we buy any gun. I don't remember anywhere in the 2nd Amendment where it says we have to get preapproval from the GOVERNMENT before we can buy a gun. The NRA must be reading a different CONSTITUTION than the one I have read. I"ve got more than my nose in this business as I am a gun show promoter and a former candidate for the US Senate and you can take what I just said to the BANK!

[Gun Show Protection Union]

You bet I can! NRA Wayne, your buddy, was on CNBC, Chis Mathews, Hardball program for two nights in a row. He said both times, "The NRA position on gun shows is that WE support background checks on ALL guns sold at gun shows and we still support the Dingell Amendment." This program aired the last week of May or the first week of June, 2001. Don't call me a liar when you don't know what you are talking about. You want to believe everything the NRA says. The NRA is responsible for the worst law we have ever had, the NICS system. The brady bill was due to sunset,which was only on HANDGUNS until the NRA came up with the NICS and they said they would do background checks on all guns including LONG GUNS. Thanks to the NRA we have to get permission from the US Government everytime we buy any gun. I don't remember anywhere in the 2nd Amendment where it says we have to get preapproval from the GOVERNMENT before we can buy a gun. The NRA must be reading a different CONSTITUTION than the one I have read. I"ve got more than my nose in this business as I am a gun show promoter and a former candidate for the US Senate and you can take what I just said to the BANK!

[Shooter 2.5]

Wayne LaPierre in the April's column which is very close to the last article he wrote for the last couple months shows this as the last couple of paragraphs:
And this is what "closing the gun-show loophole" really is: making innocent people-who transfer guns without background checks as part of a permanent national registration system-into criminals.

Today's "gun-show loophole" will be tomorrow's "gun-owner's loophole". And that will be followed by what Bill Clinton once promised as "buybacks-confiscation. Each will be called by our enemies " sensible steps".

Only you and I, acting as individuals, can stop this.

In short if you are trying to claim that the NRA and Wayne LaPierre is for the gunshow loophole, you are either mistaken or a liar.

[Hugin]

So what you are saying is you remember hearing him say that. Sorry, but unless you have a transcript of the show, that's not documentation, and frankly I don't believe it. I have heard him say the opposite many times during that period, and read it numerous times in official NRA publications. The NRA's position was and is that we oppose any background checks on transfers between private citizens.

[Gun Show Protection Union]

I know he said that, the NRA supports background checks on all guns sold at gun shows. My wife watched the same program with me two nights in a row, are you calling her a liar also. Call CNBC Chis Matthews Hardball program and ask for the transscripts. You with your head in the sand probably won't believe the transcripts either. Better yet call NRA Wayne at (703)267-1050 or fax him at (703)267-3989. I said background checks of all guns sold at GUN SHOWS. Don't confuse that with private sales anywhere else. Get a copy of the Dingell Amendment from the House of Representatives, which the NRA supported, it says the same thing. Do your homework, Nowhere in the NRA magazine does it say they are not for background checks for all guns sold at GUN SHOWS. They talk about private sales elsewhere but not at gun shows. They shirt around this issue. Read it very closely. I want the NRA to standup against the Gun show loophole, but they say they don't have the votes so they need to compromise!!! I'm a gun show promoter, I make my living putting on gun shows. Background checks on private sales at gun shows will kill the gun shows. 20,000,000 people attend gun shows in US, 400,000 every weekend, that's more than the Super Bowl and a World Series game EVERY WEEKEND! I wonder why they want to shut us DOWN? Gun Shows are Town Hall Meetings where people with like interest meet and talk about, buy , sale, and trade guns and also talk about POLITICS. That's why they want to shut us down. We are asking every gun show promoter in US to raise their price of admission by one dollar. We can raise $20,000,000 in one year and have the largest and most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. The problem is getting everybody to do it! ONE DOLLAR is what is holding us back! Join US. www.gspu.org

[Gun Show Protection Union]

Read POST 26

[Shooter 2.5]

Read post 24. The NRA is fighting against the John McCain "Gunshow Loophole" Bill. If they aren't, I want a direct quote from the NRA that says that.

[Gun Show Protection Union]

Read Post 26, in your reply you said you read 24.

[Shooter 2.5]

I wasn't very clear. I meant that I read your post, now read my post that has the quotes form LaPierre's column. He and the NRA are fighting the "Gunshow Loophole Bill". If you're still trying to claim that the NRA isn't fighting it. Prove it with a quote from him.

" We can raise $20,000,000 in one year and have the largest and most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill."

You sound like you're doing this for the money and only that. We don't need money. We need 80,000 members that will vote the Second Amendment, vote the anti-gun dems out and they can take mccain with them. You don't do that by trashing the NRA.

[Shooter 2.5]

" We need 80,000 members that will vote the Second Amendment,"

I meant 80,000,000 members.

[Gun Show Protection Union]

It is all about money. Politicians only understand two things, money and numbers. I got this idea from Senator Orin Hatch one day at breakfast with him, at 8am in the morning in a little resturant off Captiol Hill. He asked how many people attend gun shows every year? I told him that 20,000,000 people attend gun shows every year in the US. He said without a blick of the eye, "Do you know if all the gun show promoters would raise their admission price by just one dollar, that you could raise $20,000,000 in one year and have the largest and most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill." Numbers, 20,000,000 people + $20,000,000= POWER!! All for just ONE DOLLAR. The money raised by the Gun Show Protection Union will be used to hire as many lobbyist as we have money. Our only goal is to protect and save one of America's greatest passtimes called GUN SHOWS. Sure the NRA and everybody else that is pro-gun is fighting the McCain bill,the difference is we will not compromise.