Posted on 04/15/2002 12:16:07 AM PDT by 2sheep
No, I didn't say that at all. Please review my Profile and the comments in this thread again. Thanks.
I guess that's why they have distinctions such as Futurist, Historist, Idealist, Preterist, etc. No matter how much we discuss it, the differing views don't allow convergance. But I can see the points made in relation to that view, and hopefully you can see mine.
Once upon a time I believed as you do, then after much study of history and the bible (which is an inspired, historical book), I woke up and shucked the Futurist view as incorrect, and incoherent with history and the bible.
The name House of Israel was assigned to the Northern Kingdom as part of their Eternal Heritage, and it was never Jewish. Therefore, this is NOT a command to go first to Jews.
Correct, and lets not forget this happened before AD 70 (obviously), so it cannot be explained that this was referring to the Jewish diaspora which happened after this date.
Theologically irrelevant? Nope.
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.Hosea 13:9
For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the LORD of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel. Jer 51:5
Tribe of Judah, which was not "Jewish",
also your number 159, are you equating those who identify themselves as Jews with those Minnesota Vikings?. In other words, it sounds like you are saying that Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
I too am having a little difficulty with the analogy.
The people we today call "Jews" are descended not only from the tribe of Judah of course, despite the etymology of the word. It includes all persons practicing, or descended in recent generations from those practicing, such faith...regardless of whether their ancestors were members of the tribe of Judah, Levi, Benjamin, Gad, Asher, etc...or whether they are descended from proselytes ancient, medieval, or modern. King Herod probably has descendants among living Jews, as does King David.
We are told that when Elijah comes before the Messiah does, he (Elijah) will straighten out these genealogies, but will not expel from Jewishness/the Jewish people any person who by long history and assimilation has been included.
Classically, remember too that many Jews are descended from the "mixed multitude" who came out of Egypt with the ethnic Hebrews on the night of the Passover. A close reading of Bible and Talmudic sources will reveal that at times in antiquity, hundreds of thousands of non-Jews "made themselves Jews" by faith and practice, even though the Jewish community would not accept them at the time as proselytes.
In deep medieval, and antiquity, eras at least two whole Nations converted to Judaism, those being Adiabene and the Khazars. If those people have any descendants alive today, and practicing Judaism...they too count! [DNA studies as well as history suggest they were largely exterminated in later wars.]
One thing I have never understood, is when people ask about the "lost ten tribes" which may actually be but eight or nine...THEY WERE NEVER LOST! Those among them, who continued to observe their faith and identity, remained among the Jews of Mesopotamia, who returned home some with Zerubbabel in 537 BC, and some on planes in 1952. Thus they are included among Jews today.
Those who lost their faith, and memory of who they were, or intermarried away, are now mixed in to Gentile nations, but are no more "lost" than the millions of persons of the Judah and Levi tribes who also melted into the nations around THEM.
>Colin went as a moderator, not a guest. Powell did not go to Israel to forward Israeli policy. American diplomates do not go to other peoples messes to clean their table of crumbs. They go to try and infuse some sanity to the insane.
Americans frequently think that "Might makes right." Americans frequently think that because they have big bombs and a bigger ego that they can enforce their ideas on the world and pound "sense" into nations that have agendas that do not bow at the altar of American Pride.
G-d did not choose Israel because it was the biggest, most righteous or the best, but because it was His choice and the least. He defends His choices against all comers, even against America which has lowered its standards amd made a superhighway out of the Broad Road to destruction and thinks it can hammer God into lowering His. That is absolutely an impossibility. There is no moral equivalency to the position of Israel and Palestine and Israel didn't create this mess. Israel is being attacked by its demon possessed enemies on a basis of the Jew first and then the gentile. America can render aid to Israel or be considered an enemy of G-d and He is more than able to send the same enemies to America and indeed already did on 9/11/02. Many have not been paying attention. More on America the Hammer there:
Jer 50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!
Why America has already lost the war - Moshe Feiglin
Msg. to Christians: The Middle East from God's Perspective vs. the Humanist perspective
As was apparent by the eight prior years of the administration, a nation which refuses to repent gets the leaders it deserves. Clinton was a mirror and the nation sang, "We like it like that!" Click here for an image: #11 Clinton sold secrets to the enemy and Bush is the champion of compromise/ecumenicism which will make America the land of the spewed out. See Rev. 3.
Michael Rood on Zechariah -- the flying scroll is a missile
The above is an article by Michael Rood about the "woman" being put in a basket (container) with a lead cover and the "flying scroll" of Zechariah. [Thank you, Jeremiah Jr, for the link!] Because of a misunderstanding of the Hebrew word which was translated "woman," we see that Zechariah was reporting on a destroying "fire" in a container with a lead cover. It is a missile -- a fire of destruction, with a lead shield, two stage, and it flies. It covers the WTC, the four war chariots, Iraq, etc. and two fires so that won't be just Israel.
Also remember all the posts from Thinkin' Gal and Jeremiah Jr about two sticks, two countries, Judah and Ephraim, guess who, and see Ezek 38 for "at the same time." This long article is a fascinating read and one of the most important things we have seen lately. Click on the link. Read it. All of it. And weep.
Set forth below are the two few paragraphs: -- This should put an end to "write your congressmen" --
Zec 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.A major principle in the ways of God is this: People MUST repent BEFORE the trouble starts. Once it starts, there is no changing one's eternal direction. See Prov. 1:20-33 here #11. Even my dog knows to come when he is called."...When we, who are extremely north of the land of Israel, sent our war chariots over to the land immediately north of Israel, we prayed for victory in bringing our enemies to justice. We did not pray in a spirit of humility and repentance for the sins of our nation that brought on this calamity. We prayed in a spirit of how dare they attack one nation under God – surely God will bless America as we bring these religious fanatics to true justice! The still small voice of the Spirit of the living God was quelled by the patriotic drum beats and the stirring bugles calling us to arms. We had been preparing for this war on Afghanistan for a long time, and one man became our excuse to invade. The day before the attack on the World Trade Center, the stallions were snorting and pawing the earth in anticipation. The day after the attack, the war chariots were released.
"Spiffy new graphics in a red, white, and blue patriotic flag motif announced “America’s New War” as the media immediately snapped to attention, did an ‘about face,’ and became ‘all American’ overnight. Banners demanding ‘God bless America’ decorated the most unusual locations – from taverns to the menu boards in front of churches. The 501C-3 tax exempt non-prophet corporations doing business as churches in America, did not call for humility, and repentance from our National sins. They could not even name the sins, because their tax exempt status would be revoked by their “Mother” corporation – the Internal Revenue Service. Instead, they promoted the same nationalistic pride that swept through Hitler’s Germany. I think one flag decorated bumper sticker in a church parking lot said it best, “THE POWER OF PRIDE.” The American peace and prosperity church corporations are ‘on a roll’ and there will be no call for repentance. The Ruach Kadosh that America threw out of its education system several generations ago has been silenced. The Ten Commandments have been successfully chiseled off the walls of every 501C-3 church, and every government building in Amerika. His spirit has been quieted – His voice has been silenced.
"In the United States Capitol building, Senators and Congressmen prayed for God to bring justice to those who had killed thousands. Justice they will receive. These are the same men that legalized the procedure of doctor-assisted child delivery in which seconds before a baby takes his or her first breath, as he is still constricted in the mother’s birth canal, the doctor inserts a sharpened steel instrument up into the base of the babies skull and severs the brain from the spinal column. Instead of taking a breath 5 seconds later and then nursing contently on her mother’s breast, the child is “still born” - after the painful convulsions cease. The baby is then gutted and its organs are sold to research facilities. And these calloused atheist politicians pray to God for justice? You sick, arrogant bastards! Instead of humbling yourselves and repenting for the sins of our nation, you haughtily, with great national pride and fanfare, ask the God who we have offended, to give us the strength bring to “justice” all of those who have offended us? More babies are killed each day by the stroke of the pen and the American Medical Industry, than were killed in the WTC attack. Judgment is coming to America, and it will come at the hands of the merciless worshippers of the moon god - because America has forsaken the one true God.
"Repent. The day of the LORD is at hand."
And if the archeological findings of the annals of Assyrian King Sargon are correct and represent the total of the captivity, King Sargon says he carried away 27,290 people and 50 chariots, so the majority of the Northern Kingdom could have escaped captivity.
(I think that Syrians were Assyrians, but Assyrians were not necessarily Syrians!)
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