[Sabertooth]

I find all this inner experience stuff totally unconvincing.

And I've conceded that there's no reason you should, beyond faith... that was the point of the little tangent that VadeRecto and I took regarding the ramifications of agnosticism and science on atheists and theists.

Science helps neither prove their point.

BTW, doesn't the atheist's argument from the absence of an inner experience also fall into solipsism?

[Virginia-American]

BTW, doesn't the atheist's argument from the absence of an inner experience also fall into solipsism?

"Of course solipsism is the only true philosphy, but that's just one man's opinion" (I forget the source, Martin Gardner quoted it). Who knows? How do you tell mania from enlightenment or prophecy? Is an atheist like a blind person, or is a believer like a delusional person? I have to go along with the skeptics here, the 'inner experiences' contradict themselves too often, and resemble mental illnesses (and acid trips) too much to convince me that they have any reality outside of the experiencer's head.

It's hardly solipsism to observe that there is no-one present when my friend sees the BVM.

[palo verde]

BTW, doesn't the atheist's argument from the absence of an inner experience also fall into solipsism

Good point sabertooth
I don't think anyone will be talked into or out of believing in God
My own experience is that I experienced the reality of God as an inner experience
But in order for the mind to believe something is true, it has to be logically true too
I went looking for the logic and it was there
Love, Palo

[jennyp]

BTW, doesn't the atheist's argument from the absence of an inner experience also fall into solipsism?

No. See above.