Posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983
And the Union fought for the "status quo."
The South responded because the DNA of the Founding Fathers flowed through their (our) veins.
Yeah, still defending the right. :)
Walt
Delaware was a slave state.
Walt
Only temporarilly.
It was on a Confederarte thread not to long ago and I did not have a dog in that fight. As I recall, he posted something about Confederates and "traitors" and then, right in the middle of the thread, he was banned. The Southerners gloated. The FR Powers That Be later had mercy and he is now back on FR.
I have been to the South, primarily in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. Perhaps that isn't Deep South, so go ahead and tell me how harmonious it is there. Of course, that will contradict what I have heard from relatives and co-workers, both white and black have told me about Mississippi and Alabama. Blatant racism certainly is not absolute anywhere, but in the South, it is more than tolerated.
So you like movies? Remember "Pennsylvania Burning"? Oh, I'm sorry, that's "Mississippi Burning". You'll probably tell me it was written because it was the exception, not the rule.
I didn't know that the Underground Railroad extended to Canada, thanks for at least something informative. It does make sense though, perhaps the former slaves fleeing the South were afraid that the Confederates would win the war, best to leave the country. By the way, how come the Railroad only took blacks north, and never south?
Would you care to remember the atmosphere in the South during the 60's? Blacks were being lynched, tarred and feathered and hung for literally no reason other than being black. I can imagine their lack of enthusiasm for recruiting supporters while living in the belly of the beast. Southern cops used any excuse to beat and kill blacks, civil disobediance included. Don't pretend you aren't aware of this.
Why did MLK march on Montgomery? Why was it considered courageous to do so? Where was he killed? Who was surrised, anyone?
How many state's rights issues invoke the actual image of the symbol of the last Western bastion of slavery? None.
Do the Right a favor: Either stay off our side, or at least keep your mouth shut.
That's what I have always concluded as a Northerner. Southern Pride doesn't offend me. Repressing or distorting the memory of great Americans like Robert E. Lee does.
Perhaps you mean Birth of a Nation, which came out in 1915.
I guess that South America isn't part of the Western world, huh? Brazil had slavery until 1880 or thereabouts. You're just very uninformed and misinformed and you have the arrogance that comes with being a TV addict.
Don't worry about my "staying off the right's side". You people who refer to yourselves as "the right" are socialists. I'm a conservative, not a republican. Of course, if you would like to give me some entertainment, you could always try to make me shut up......
P.S. I'm one of those rough looking old boys you see so many of down here, with a deep South accent that is instantly recognizable to other Southerners and my wife and daughter are black. I would be much quicker to whip David Duke's ass if he ran his mouth around my family than you would. You would go home and write him a mean letter, I bet. ahaha....The thought of someone making me shut up without getting in my face to do it is comical.
"I have done that," says my memory. "I cannot have done that" -- says my pride, and remains adamant. At last -- memory yields. --Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
One comes to think of one's ancestors as "just like us" only better and to attribute all faults to those who opposed them. History is more complicated than that, though. Good and evil are mixed together more thoroughly. I suspect most Southerners recognize that. But some compensate for the impurity of history by making some opponent purely evil.
It's especially unfortunate that the need for regional pride combines with the desire to explain where things went wrong in history to produce resiliant myths about the Old South and the Civil War. The Rebel troops were indeed brave and were fighting for their homes and families and what they took to be freedom.
But the Confederate leadership was very much not "just like us." And they had been after far more than just "to be let alone." The government they were fighting against was not repressive in 1860 and gave them no cause for justified rebellion. They were not fighting the same battles Americans are fighting now. Southern elites were as militarist, imperialist, centralist, represssive and statist as other elites. And if they Old Republic died, they were the ones who dealt the blow that killed it.
If you are a Southerner, especially a White Southerner, you might nevertheless feel that they were fighting for your freedom. But nothing I've seen, heard or read convinces me that they were fighting for my freedom, or for that of most contemporary Americans or that those who fought against them were fighting for tyranny.
It's too bad that so much Southern pride is vested in that war. It's also a pity that so much effort is put into justifying not just the bravery or dedication of the troops but the secessionist cause, and not just justifying it, but maintaining that it was purer and more politically correct by modern standards than any 19th century political movement could be. It might produce a more accurate and nuanced view if some of the cynicism expressed here about American political history were applied to that of the Confederacy as well.
Is Southern pride simply American pride? Sometimes it really doesn't look like it here. It really does look like militant Southern pride intends to heap as much abuse on non-Southern elements in order to keep itself alive. But the saving grace in all this is that most Americans are learning that virtues and vices aren't confined to this or that section or segment of society, but are more evenly distributed throughout our country.
You tried to skew perception of these events by suggesting that Delaware was somehow excluded from writing Jim Crow laws because it was a northern state when it was in fact a slave state.
You were dishonest. You got caught.
Walt
You comunists are a joke, son. Nobody is buying your washed up, murderous old ideology anymore unless you present it as something else.
Nonsense. Delaware is a northern state, no matter how you spin it. Delaware was a slave state which remained in the union. It was not a Confederate state and never even threatened secession . Delaware being the first state to pass Jim Crow laws is extremely inconvenient for your side which wants to paint Jim Crow as a strictly Southern phenomenon. It was a national system and as bad in the north as anywhere else. Where did I "suggest that Delaware was somehow excluded from writing Jim Crow laws"? I said that Delaware was the first to write them, which is hardly suggesting that they were excluded from writing them. You're too inarticulate to argue, and that's why you rely almost totally on cut&paste. Better stick to the purloined words of other communists, lest you reveal yourself as a dimwit.
Here's another little factoid for you about Delaware: the last of the race riots of the civil rights era happened in Wilmington, Delaware in 1972. That place is still an armpit of racial hatred and separatist politics. Anyone familiar with Wilmington can tell you so, if they're honest.
It's extremely annoying trying to communicate with someone too dull witted to even know how to keep up his end of an argument and too dishonest to ever admit that he's wrong about anything. You're a liar, son. You're also not up to an argument about anything not archived on the university websites you use for cut&paste "evidence". Those AOL eggheads you're so impressed with should give you more access. All the communists in academia are archiving crap online with free labor from their grad students for the purpose of advancing their ideology on discussion sites. You could find BS to back up anything you wanted to say if your egghead pals weren't so elitist about granting access.
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