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The Real Abraham Lincoln
The Laissez Faire Electronic Times ^ | Tibor R. Machan

Posted on 04/12/2002 7:49:37 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: MyPetMonkey
He can be critized for both, because if freeing slaves was his real reason for violating the constitution, then he might as well have gone all the way and freed them all. In for a penny, in for a pound.

President Lincoln didn't violate the Constitution.

The rationale for the EP was his use of the war powers bestowed on the president as commander in chief of the armed forces. Under those, as President Lincoln saw it, he could only act on areas where the insurgent forces had control. That is what drove the areas covered by the EP. As president, in the normal course of adminstration, the president had no power to affect slavery. And if you take out the 13th amendment, he still would not, in the Constitution as written.

Walt

181 posted on 04/15/2002 6:34:01 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: MyPetMonkey
On this day in 1865, President Lincoln is shot by John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theater

President Lincoln was shot the night of April 14, and died the next morning a little after 7AM.

I saw a thing on forensic medicine that was not about Lincoln per se. But they made the point that the doctors probing the wound may have caused more damage to Lincoln's brain than the bullet did. The bullet fragmented and was small any way. In that sense, there was nothing substantial to find. They probed because that was all they knew to do.

Now, I remember reading years ago that the bullet entered behind Lincoln's left ear and lodged behind his right eye, so this was a departure frm that. Any way, the long metal probes, this show supposed, may have caused more damage than the actual bullet.

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves and then we shall save our country.

Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this congress and this administration shall be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance or insignificance can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor unto the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We--even we here--bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free--honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just--a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless."

12/01/62

Walt

184 posted on 04/15/2002 6:45:23 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: MyPetMonkey
Overheard at Ford's Theatre during the first act of the play, "Nice booth, huh Mr. Lincoln?"

I love recycling old Robin Williams' jokes.

Happy Sic Semper Tyrannus Day!

Lincoln's dead, but the tyranny he fathered lives on. Something to keep in mind as I file my "indentured servitude: property of the state" payments today.

185 posted on 04/15/2002 6:52:41 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: Titus Fikus
Slaves were not freed by proclamation in the border states because had already been made law that any slave there who volunteered for service in the US Army would automatically be freed...

What law was that, please?

Walt

188 posted on 04/15/2002 7:00:04 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: MyPetMonkey
The US fedgov killed and killed and killed and killed because that was all they knew to do.

That's why Lee's army was allowed to keep their horses, why Grant had 25,000 rations sent over to Lee's men after the surrender, and why every single person arrested on habeas corpus and treason charges was released unharmed?

189 posted on 04/15/2002 7:02:29 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Twodees
Is there something about hiding out from the world in the cloistered environment of a university that shrinks the testes, or are those who hide in those retreats deficient in that department to start with?

That suh, is one of the preeminent questions of our times!

LOL! ;^)

191 posted on 04/15/2002 7:13:21 AM PDT by one2many
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I like that. Thanks.

General Lee phrased it another way:

"We could have pursued no other course without dishonor. And sad as the results have been, if it had all to be done over again, we should be compelled to act in precisely the same manner." --General Robert E. Lee, C.S.A. [cited in The Memorial Volume of Jefferson Davis by J. William Jones, 1889, Sprinkle Publications, p. 309]

193 posted on 04/15/2002 7:19:15 AM PDT by one2many
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To: MyPetMonkey
A - F _ _ _ ING - MEN!

(Forgive me Lord)

"Our Lord God must be a devout man to be able to love knaves.
I myself can’t do it, although I am a knave myself."
--MARTIN LUTHER

194 posted on 04/15/2002 7:26:12 AM PDT by one2many
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To: MyPetMonkey
He can be critized for both, because if freeing slaves was his real reason for violating the constitution, then he might as well have gone all the way and freed them all.

Damned if he does and damed if he doesn't. Nice try, but exactly what part of the Constitution did Lincoln violate when South Carolina trashed the Constitution and fired on the Stars and Stripes?

195 posted on 04/15/2002 7:29:42 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Titus Fikus
Slaves were not freed by proclamation in the border states because had already been made law that any slave there who volunteered for service in the US Army would automatically be freed, and all of his family would be forever free also.

Slaves were not freed in the Border States because Lincoln had no constitutional authority to free them. Only the states themselves could do that (and several did during the course of the war), or congress and the states through an amendment to the constitution which happened in 1865. The EP only applied to states in rebellion and was issued as a military order allowing the “seizing and disposition of property' that could be of use to the rebels or could be used in the Union cause.

It was perfectly constitutional, and unlike the historical fantasy these neo-confederate revisionists promote, Lincoln had far more respect for the Constitution than any of the so-called Southern patriots. Those are the same SOBs who pushed through the unconstitutional Fugitive Slave Act that trampled over states rights and then had the arrogance to cite the objections of Northern states to that constitutional monstrosity as an excuse to break the Union. Those filthy slavers only cared about maintaining their wealth in slaves and never gave a damn about the constitution.

197 posted on 04/15/2002 7:53:05 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Those filthy slavers only cared about maintaining their wealth in slaves and never gave a damn about the constitution.

I think you need to stop soft-pedaling your opinions and say what you think.

Walt

198 posted on 04/15/2002 7:59:18 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Ditto
Lincoln had far more respect for the Constitution than any of the so-called Southern patriots

LOL!! That's why he IGNORED Article I Section 8 completely is it?(those are powers reserved FOR Congress, you do remember them don't you? Those were the people that were mysteriously absent for three months while abe got the war machine going) Wow, the Militia Act covered everything didn't it? Absconding funds, building ships, heck I'm suprised lincoln didn't try recreating the Great Wall of China along the northern borders

200 posted on 04/15/2002 8:01:58 AM PDT by billbears
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