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Venezuela President Resigns in Tumult - asks for exile in Cuba
yahoo.com ^ | Apr 12, 2002 8:59 AM ET | JORGE RUEDA, AP

Posted on 04/12/2002 6:40:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: miamimark
"He was elected TWICE by a Majority."

So was Mugabe. Go back to Cuba, hack.

41 posted on 04/12/2002 9:56:32 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: miamimark
The peasants are going to be pissed as the new "leaders" sell off state owned facilities and put the $$ in their own pockets.

As opposed to Chavez looting the same, and giving the money to his slum-thugs to keep them happy and himself in power

At least the oligarchs have an incentive to keep the economy going smoothly -- Communist-types never seem to manage that competantly

42 posted on 04/12/2002 10:18:13 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: chilepepper; miamimark
Don't bother arguing with miamimark -- he's a communist shill sent into FR to push Castro's agenda.
43 posted on 04/12/2002 10:20:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
bingo!
44 posted on 04/12/2002 10:26:05 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Constitutional Patriot
The reason that the US was successful as a democratic Republic (NOT a democracy -- there's a big difference) is that the majority in the US were small-scale property owners (small farmers, craftsmen working out of their own shops, etc). As such, they were more interested in keeping their own property from being looted via the ballot box, than in trying to loot others

Contrast the aftermath of the French Revolution: the propertyless engaging in mass killing over who would get the loot confiscated from the nobility

Much of South America resembles 18th Century France and 19th Century Russia more than it resembles early US: you have wealthy oligarchs surrounded by numerous unskilled, uneducated, propertyless peasant-types. "Democracy" then becomes a code-word for "lets have us educated intelligensia types organize the poor into a thug army that will allow us to loot the rich"

45 posted on 04/12/2002 10:42:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Chavez stepped down peacefully.

Guess he's not Hitler after all.

The next guy will be same animal just different stripes. Probably Soto, ex general who was in Washington earlier this week. Probably have an ex Arther Anderson guy counting the barrels they pull out of the ground...just like next door in Colombia.

46 posted on 04/12/2002 10:48:44 AM PDT by miamimark
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To: miamimark
Chavez stepped down peacefully. Guess he's not Hitler after all.

Chavez stepped down at the point where he was his choices were to step down or be killed

He saw he was not likely to get hung on a meathook, like Mussolini, so he didn't see a need to put a bullet in his head in his bunker

47 posted on 04/12/2002 10:57:18 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: miamimark
"People there are buying luxury goods and wearing designer clothes... buying $50-$100 fragrances..."

You paint a rosy picture of the typical Cuban's affluence. What else do they have besides the Giorgio Armani suits, Rolexes and $100 perfumes? Yachts? Annual per capita income in Cuba is ~$1700, in case you didn't know. And the internal exchange rate is 22 pesos to the US dollar. Even professionals, such as doctors and professors, are grossly underpaid and frequently moonlight as bartenders and waiters. The majority of Cubans eat a subsistence diet consisting of about half the calories they should be getting. They have many problems, but obesity is definitely not one of them.

Gordon DiRenzo, leftist professor of sociology at the University of Delaware, was recently permitted an extensive tour of Cuba. He observed and interviewed many people all over that island and concluded the following:

    "There is tremendous poverty in Cuba, and food and other commodities are in short supply and rationed."
If Cubans were as affluent as you and your "friend" claim they are, wouldn't DiRenzo be bragging about the economic success of this Marxist government he is so clearly sympathetic to? What? You say he is misrepresenting the economic status of the average Cuban in order to point an accusing finger at our embargo policy? Then why, oh why, do sources on the right say the same thing he is saying? Face it, mm, the vast majority of Cubans are not among the privileged few in Castro's ruling elite and must scratch out their meager $140 per month in the black market.

"...less people in jail than in the US..."

There is no way you or your "friend" could possibly how many people are imprisoned in Cuba. Castro has consistently refused to release prison population statistics to anybody, including the left-wing "human rights" groups who clamor for them endlessly. It is well-known that the island is peppered with many jails, prisons, detention centers and forced labor farms, and the prison population estimates I've seen vary wildly. But even if we accept the lowest of these estimates, Cuba would have one of the highest prisoner densities in the world. In any event, Cuba has less than 6% of our population, so why would it surprise anybody that they would have fewer people in prison than we do?

Your "friend's" claim of a rapidly expanding tourism industry is also contradicted by the facts. Cuban tourism is declining. Hundreds of hotel rooms have been shut down and so have some of the hotels themselves. Yes, there are still many tourists who go there, but recent years have seen a net loss in their numbers and also in the available accomodations.

48 posted on 04/12/2002 12:11:53 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: miamimark
"Chavez stepped down peacefully."You call the killing and wounding of over a hundred people from the rooftops "stepping down peacefully?"

For once, maybe you should just face facts -- after slaughtering these demonstrators, Chavez failed to get out of the country in time and had no choice but to finally step down. He was surrounded and out-numbered.

49 posted on 04/12/2002 12:15:36 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
And crude oil is down $1.45/barrel in today's trading
50 posted on 04/12/2002 1:05:19 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
And we can expect it to drop even more. After 3 years of Chavez, Venezuela needs cash. This puts OPEC in an interesting position, no? :-)
51 posted on 04/12/2002 1:17:08 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: miamimark
Atlas Shrugged, Venezuela will benefit.
52 posted on 04/12/2002 1:26:14 PM PDT by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: miamimark
miamimark member since April 9th, 2002

I could have guessed...

53 posted on 04/12/2002 1:36:57 PM PDT by Crusher138
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To: Crusher138
These Commies will never learn. That's cause they've got their heads buried deep in their ass! Gives em a shitty outlook on life.
54 posted on 04/12/2002 2:04:39 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: miamimark
Sorry I missed your post until now.

Just as a matter of curiousity, what makes you think I've never been to Venezuela? As a matter of fact, I have been there, and I have Venezuelan friends and colleagues.

And Hitler was elected; it's a matter of fact.

And I think you've probably gone back to whatever left-wing infested little corner you crawled out of - after somebody pointed out that you just joined a day ago!

55 posted on 04/12/2002 2:07:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Our liberties are less endangered by foreign madmen than by some of our own authorities.
56 posted on 04/12/2002 4:09:11 PM PDT by miamimark
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To: Bonaparte
And we can expect it to drop even more. After 3 years of Chavez, Venezuela needs cash.

I think some US envoys may have been talking to the new government: "You need money, you need US support, we need the price of oil to drop below $20 in order to get us out of recession. Come, let us reason together..."

BTW, Oil finished the day down $1.50/barrel

57 posted on 04/12/2002 6:46:15 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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