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To: Harrison Bergeron;dimensio
Thank you, Harrison.

I believe the characterization of a 'slippery slope' moral argument can be either valid or invalid, depending upon the particulars.

Our rationalizing friend imagines that syllogisms have more substance than reality itself; he is wrong.

Remember, dimensio, analysis of terms yields tautologies, at best.

All actual truths about the empirical world around us are rooted in observation, not analysis.

I think I know a slippery slope when I see one, so spare me your argumentum ad misericordium.

The truth may make you unhappy, but it's better to be unhappy than ignorant.

37 posted on 04/11/2002 2:18:22 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Here's the problem.

People argue against legal recognition of homosexual unions. In their arguments they bring up the "slippery slope" concept of polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia -- well, some do.

The argument is fallacious when they do not explain why one leads to the logical progression of another. Most who make such arguments don't bother to do that. It consists of handwaving "well if we allow X, why not allow Y? Why not allow everything!?" when in fact X and Y are two different issues and allowing X might have very different implicaitons than allowing Y. As an example: legal recognization of homosexual unions means you remove the gender requirement. Everything else stays the same, all legal rights and benefits as well as obligations and penalties (such as the marriage tax) are granted, the only difference is that there is no requirement that the persons entering the contractual agreement must be of opposite genders. In polygamy you run into problems because you are introducing additional parties. Marriage grants, among things, next of kin rights to the spouse. In a polygamous relationship, how is this next of kin transferred? Should one spouse die, how does that affect the contractual relationship amongst the others? In two-person marriage death dissolves the marriage and only residual benefits (inhertance and all) remain. In a >2-party marriage, is it multiple spouses joined to a single party (in which case all would be "unmarried" should the main spouse die) or is it multiple people all within the same "marriage", so that no matter who dies everyone else is still married to each other?

Note that I'm not saying that polygamy is good or bad, I'm just pointing out issues in considering legal recognition that are distinctly different than any issues for 2-party same-sex unions.

The other problem is associating the slippery slope as an argument against homosexual unions itself. Is the person making the argument stating that homosexual unions themselves are a "bad thing", or is the arguer saying that regardless of whether two people of the same gender gaining the legal benefits of marriage is good, bad or indifferent the other items down the slippery slope, like pedophilia, are "bad" things and thus homosexual unions themselves should be condemned?

If someone wants to use the slippery slope method as an argument, they should detail it with more than just "it will lead to recognition of pedopihlic unions etc etc". A detailed analysis of how it will lead would be preferrable and IMO the best way to do that is to point out what is "wrong" or undesirable about allowing pedophilia and then pointing out how homosexuality shares some of the same attributes.
38 posted on 04/11/2002 2:42:11 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: headsonpikes
"All actual truths about the empirical world around us are rooted in observation, not analysis. "

"You can observe a lot just by watching"
Yogi Berra

42 posted on 04/11/2002 10:01:58 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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