[Carry_Okie]

HOW the certification is structured and what the contracts say is very important. That whole discussion in Chapter 2 of Part III about the behavior of the Forest Stewardship Council should tell you how those foundations have poisoned the well for certification. Although InsCert is different than what they have done, we have a long fight to convince a justly skeptical customer base that we aren't just another UN front.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Whilst reading Ron Arnold's book, Undue Influence I came across a thought-provoking (and somewhat scary...be uh-fraid? be very uh-fraid?) section. This in light of my recent read of Natural Process.

Arnold mentioned Island Press and a 1997 book they put out, Nature's Services: Societal Dependence on Natural Ecosystems Arnold said it "made a no-brainer point: 'Free of charge, natural ecosystems provide a multitude of valuable services for people and the human economy.'.....The Pew Foundation supported the book, conceived after dinner at a Pew Fellows meeting when:

"One brilliant soul, Gretchen Daily, a Standford University professor of biological science, noted to her fellow Fellows that the failure to price natural events was a major hindrance to the formulation and implementation of policy. These policy-minded scientists needed a book on what every farmer knows:nature does stuff free that keeps us all alive. If they could put a price on that stuff, they could blame humans for hurting it in dollars and cents and drive policy against industrial civilization. Undue Influence, Ron Arnold,Free Enterprise Press, 1999, page 105

Considering the Pew Foundation association and their goal of rural genocide, "pricing natural events" so that they can blame humans for hurting it has frightening connotations when one considers the proposals in Natural Process along those same kind of lines--putting a price on nature.....

Better not take a Spanish pause while the foundation-fed enviro-sharks begin to use natural event pricing to harm resource users.......