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Warm embrace for kids, or merely a psycho cry fest
The Seattle Times ^ | Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - | Keith Ervin

Posted on 04/10/2002 9:29:38 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

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To: one_particular_harbour
I think I am going to be ill


41 posted on 04/11/2002 7:50:57 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: scholar
"A cat will live quite happily with food, water and an occasional scratch behind its ear with none of the other odious responsibilities."

Not my cat.

This is truly outrageous. Did these "teachers" keep the students from using the restrooms for a few hours so they could demoralize them?

42 posted on 04/11/2002 8:03:46 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: Slip18
they haven't met our cat :)
43 posted on 04/11/2002 8:08:19 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: dubyaismypresident
I wondered when you'd get around to that!!!!!!!

Very Appropriate.

44 posted on 04/11/2002 8:11:37 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Very Appropriate.

Thank you, thank you very much. I just couldn't hold it in any longer.

45 posted on 04/11/2002 8:20:19 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: TxBec; Slip 18
they haven't met our cat :)

Well, now that you mention it--my cat does seem to think he is MY BOSS.

As for these seminars, I consider them a form of emotional abuse.

46 posted on 04/11/2002 8:43:41 AM PDT by scholar
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To: scholar;slip18

Our boss (the day we got her)

47 posted on 04/11/2002 8:59:47 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: big ern
The tears flowed. In some groups, half the Washington Middle School students were crying at once.

Wuss.

Applause followed, as the seventh- and eighth-graders stepped up to roving microphones and declared what they would do to mend broken relationships with their schoolmates.

Next week...."stickboy...loser...pee-wee..fag..."

Two boys shook hands after one apologized for making fun of the other, and said he hoped to be more supportive.

Again..next week..."fag, loser, pee-wee, stickboy, fatass, buttdart"

A girl owned up to snubbing an old friend. "I'm sorry that I've been very distant and that I've chosen other friends in school," she said. "I'm going to work on that, and I'm going to be a better friend."

Next week...another diss.

Washington and Meany middle schools
Bwhahahah

But the emotional intensity of the workshops — and their promotion of encounter-style seminars by a controversial for-profit company — have led critics to suggest the schools have strayed into inappropriate areas.

And the Pink Floyd song MONEY says it all.

Last week's workshops, described by one student as "a psycho cry fest,"

I'm probably related to him.

"We make pretty good money. I don't need money. We want to make a difference. We've got some serious problems here," Gilcrease said.

Bwhahahahh.(cough Cough...Bull@##^)

Mort Hurt, who went through seminars to support his daughter nine years ago, called it "a life-changing experience. ... If we had a program like this worldwide, we wouldn't be having the problems we face today."

This reminds me of those infomercial ads for psychic network. This has changes my life. Weak minds.

Schools, eager to find antidotes to the damaging effects of cliques, bullying, and drug and alcohol abuse,

Cliques have been around since the beginning of time. Once I got to college, it was viewed as BS and it was all ended. Bullies have been around for ever, and will be around. Same with drinking and drugs.

Have you ever been teased because you were considered too skinny? Too fat?
Uhhh, isn't that everybody.

Have you been poor, homeless or on welfare?
Gee, leave yourself open to more zingers.

Students reflected on what they had learned, then made public apologies to their schoolmates.

(sniff) Sorry....I love you man....You're not getting my Bud Lite.(I had to fit that in)

After the final exercise — hugging as many people as possible in two minutes, to the theme from "Rocky" — eighth-grader Sydney Simon said of Challenge Day, "It changed me. I feel more compassionate and loving toward everybody. Differences don't matter so much anymore."

..and easy way to pick up chicks.

Her feeling was widely shared. One boy later told a counselor it had been the best day of his life; he felt as though 80 pounds had been lifted from his shoulders.

Psychic Friends network again?

St. Joseph School Administrator George Hofbauer called Challenge Day "a phenomenally powerful experience" that made students more sensitive to their schoolmates' feelings.

(Puke) Feelings. My feelings get hurt every tax day.

But a couple of students asked her, "OK, now we've opened up our wounds. Are we going to get a chance to deal with some of these things?"

That's the smartest thing I've read in the whole article.

49 posted on 04/11/2002 10:34:22 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: kevinjdeanna, nonliberal, PurVirgo, smith288, Tomalak, WillaJohns, Yellow Rose of Texas, GADIST64
ping
50 posted on 04/11/2002 2:02:05 PM PDT by madfly
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To: big ern
I came across this recently. Does anyone know more about it?

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HATCH AMENDMENT LETTER

From:______________________________________________
Address: ___________________________________________________________
To:_______________________________________________ Principal of ___________________________________________________ School
____________________________, ______________________, USA
Dear ________________________:
I am the parent of_____________________ who attends _____________________ school. Under U.S. legislation and federal court decisions, parents have the primary responsibility for their children's education, and pupils have certain rights which the school may not deny.

Parents have the right to be assured their children's beliefs and moral values are not undermined by the schools. Pupils have the right to have and to hold their values and moral standards without direct or indirect manipulations by the schools through the curricula, textbooks, audio-visual materials or supplementary assignments.

Under the Hatch Amendment, I hereby request that my child NOT be involved in any school activities or materials listed unless I have first reviewed all the relevant materials and have given my written consent for their use:

Psychological and psychiatric treatment that is designed to affect the behavioral, emotional, or attitudinal characteristics of an individual or designed to elicit information about attitudes, habits, traits, opinions, beliefs or feelings of an individual or group;

Values clarifications, use of moral dilemmas, discussion of religious or moral standards, role-playing or open-ended discussions of situations involving moral issues, and survival games including life/death decision exercises;

Contrived incidents for self-revelation; sensitivity training, group encounter sessions, talk-ins, magic-circle techniques, self-evaluation and auto-criticism; strategies designed for self-disclosure including the keeping of a diary or a journal or a log book;

Sociograms, sociodrama; psychodrama; blindfold walks; isolation techniques;

Death education, including abortion, euthanasia, suicide, use of violence, and discussions of death and dying;

Curricula pertaining to drugs and alcohol; Nuclear war, nuclear policy and nuclear classroom games; Globalism, one-world government or anti-nationalistic curricula; Discussion and testing on interpersonal relationships; discussions of attitudes toward parents and parenting;

Educating in human sexuality, including pre-marital sex, contraception, abortion, homosexuality, group sex and marriages, prostitution, incest, bestiality, masturbation, divorce, population control, and roles of males and females; sex behavior and attitudes of student and family;

Pornography and any materials containing profanity and/or sexual explicitness;

Guided-fantasy techniques; hypnotic techniques; imagery and suggestology;

Organic evolution, including Darwin's theory; Discussions of witchcraft, occultism, the supernatural, and mysticism; Political and/or religious affiliations of students or family; income of family; Non-academic personality tests; questionnaires of personal and family life attitudes. The purpose of this letter is to preserve my child's rights under the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (The Hatch Amendment) to the General Education Provisions Act, and under its regulations as published in the Federal Register of September 6, 1984, which became effective November 12, 1984.

These regulations provide a procedure for filing complaints first at the local level, and then with the U.S. Department of Education. If a voluntary remedy fails, federal funds can be withdrawn from those in violation of the law. I respectfully ask you to send me a substantive response to this letter attaching a copy of your policy statement on procedures for parental permission requirements, to notify all my child's teachers, and to keep a copy of this letter in my child's permanent file.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Signed this ___________ Day of __________,200__ .

51 posted on 04/13/2002 9:39:38 PM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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To: big ern
Thomas Burton, a Pleasanton, Calif., attorney representing several parents and children suing Resource Realizations and the behavior-modification facilities that contract for the seminars, said one client was told to wear a sign saying "Slut" after she confided she had been sexually abused. The girl also was told to wear a fishnet top and assume sexually provocative poses, Burton said.

This goes beyond loser sociology/psych majors with inflated egos and low self-esteem trying to compensate for not studying something real in college like physics.

This is having kids act out somebody's perversions...

52 posted on 04/19/2002 9:53:31 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: big ern
DEPENDING ON WHO'S FACILITATING, LEADING IT, I'M FOR IT. Even if a small proportion of the kids carry something lastingly constructive away from such times, it would be well worth it.
53 posted on 04/19/2002 9:56:34 AM PDT by Quix
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To: noexcuses
MANY KIDS CAN'T READ AND/OR CAN'T RETAIN WHAT THEY READ BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL ANGST THAT THEY CARRY AROUND WITH THEM ****ALL**** THE TIME.

Parents should solve such and prevent such problems. They aren't--by legions.

Churches should step up to the plate and prevent, cure such problems. They aren't, wholesale.

I'd prefer to see a number of alternatives but I'm thankful someone has started this.

54 posted on 04/19/2002 9:58:55 AM PDT by Quix
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To: big ern
anyone who sends their kids to public schools should have their head examined.
55 posted on 04/19/2002 10:07:56 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: big ern
Perhaps you have never experienced significant change via such a process--in yourself nor in someone you love.

With 3,000+ hours of group experience--a chunk of them at a Navy human relations project in the 70's as well as some church connected ones--I assure you lasting change does occur. There are many factors that contribute to lasting or little lasting change.

But in any standard school, there should be many stories, real tear jerking stories of lasting, memorable, growthful, overcoming change. I salute them.

Perhaps you are unaware of persistent research findings that EXTREMELY DISADVANTAGED kids can turn out to be paragons of success. And they persistently trace it to incredibly sparse encouragements--ONE TIME IN THEIR LIVES WHEN ****ONE**** TEACHER SAID SOMETHING AFFIRMING that demonstrated the teacher really cared.

I encourage you to get a cynicism check, if not a colonic removal of same [joke].

I agree the schools are a mess. Society's a mess. The NEA is guilty a million times over of working overtime to destroy our culture, our families, our lives, our nation. I have plenty of cynicism of my own to keep in check.

But when something praiseworthy occurs, I think we need to encourage it instead of just reflexively throw rocks.

56 posted on 04/19/2002 10:17:58 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
ONE TIME IN THEIR LIVES WHEN ****ONE**** TEACHER SAID SOMETHING AFFIRMING that demonstrated the teacher really cared.

Alrighty! So let's insist the teachers find one positive thing to say about each student, once per week. And leave the pseudo-psycho BS out.

57 posted on 04/19/2002 10:41:19 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
There appear to be a lot of other trauma fed youth for whom one affirming comment is grossly insufficient--for unclear reasons.

Which part(s) do you deem "pseudo-psycho BS?"

What is so threatening to you about increasing communication? What is so awful about someone coming in and facilitating people applying more of the Golden Rule in the school relationships and getting students to speak it, act such out? Obviously horribly subversive stuff, that.

58 posted on 04/19/2002 10:50:28 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
What is so threatening to you about increasing communication? What is so awful about someone coming in and facilitating people applying more of the Golden Rule in the school relationships and getting students to speak it, act such out? Obviously horribly subversive stuff, that.

Because they are NOT QUALIFIED to dig into the psyche of these kids. They are screwing with their heads, not just teaching them to be honest.

And why because I think this is BS does that mean I am "threatened" by it? Another a-hole liberal trying to intimidate me into shutting up?

59 posted on 04/19/2002 11:33:17 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
What is so threatening to you about increasing communication? What is so awful about someone coming in and facilitating people applying more of the Golden Rule in the school relationships and getting students to speak it, act such out? Obviously horribly subversive stuff, that.

Because they are NOT QUALIFIED to dig into the psyche of these kids. They are screwing with their heads, not just teaching them to be honest.

Welllllll, it sounds to this psychologist like they are doing a pretty good job OF HELPING SOME OF THE KIDS FINALLY GET THEIR HEADS SCREWED ON ****RIGHT**** regardless of a huge chunk of routine disconfirmation as their lot in life.

The kids' psyche's would be much MORE MANGLED WITHOUT SUCH.

By the way, what are YOUR qualifications for judging someone else's psyche mangling?

How often do you talk REALLLL VULNERABLY HEART TO HEART TO kids of such ages? How candid do you think such kids are with you? . . . say for a baseline on awareness, here.

And why because I think this is BS does that mean I am "threatened" by it?

A) Because your responses are more emotional outrage than reason.
B) Because of the subtle nuances in your wording and the general tone, flavor of your responses. C) Because your outrage, indignation seem to be fairly tenacious. D) Because of your quick resort to name calling.

Of course threatened can mean many things.

Another a-hole liberal trying to intimidate me into shutting up?

I've been virtually hyperconservative every minute of my 55 years. Some would agree about your label . . . usually the ones who don't appreciate a spade being called a spade. . . . many whould not . . . usually those who bother to get to know me and a few thousand who've been helped significantly from their interactions with me.

Of course, if calling me names helps you feel less threatened, please help yourself.

60 posted on 04/19/2002 11:50:57 AM PDT by Quix
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