APPEALS COURT RULES UNANIMOUSLY - CCW BAN IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL (In OHIO)

ohioccw.org ^ | 10 Apr 02 | press release

[KrisKrinkle]

I may have formatted this badly because I am rushed.

[KrisKrinkle]

To bang_list

[katana]

Fabulous news. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

[Goldi-Lox]

Big 'ol TRT BUMP

[Johnny Gage]

Great news! Congratulations Ohio.

Now please send some of your folks here to Minnesota. We are soooo close to getting a "shall issue" here.
Hopefully after the elections this year, there will be enough Pro-2A folks voted in that we can get it done.

Congrats again, great job!

[elbucko]

Hope looms in the East.

Regards, Buck.

[Don Carlos]

Oh, oh! Now watch the murder rate soar in Ohio. (/sarcasm).

[Spiral]

Not as broad a ruling as the article implies.

In Ohio it was always a defense to a CCW charge that you could have one IF you met certain criteria. Unfortunately you were forced into "proving" that you met the certain criteria AFTER you were charged with a CCW felony.

This case was about an attempt to say that even that certain criteria didn't apply and couldn't be used as a defense - even though it is in the statute. (this theory was a geographically localized opinion of a local authority).

Don't count your chickens too early.

It is still against the law in Ohio to CCW unless you fall into one of the specific criteria areas (if you don't have a CCW permit).....and then you can only use the law as a defense AFTER you have been charged with CCW.

This is NOT an unlimited right for CCW, nor does it change Ohio CCW permit law.

Spiral
(I try to follow this issue in a number of states...and overhype by CCW supporters often distorts the true nature of what each state allows)

[Frohickey]

Bump for CCW! Its time for Ohio to join the 33 Shall-Issue CCW states!

There are still 11 May-Issue states, and 6 No-Issue states (+ Wash.DC). Wisconsin was close to having it passed until the state senators played their procedural games to have the voted blocked. Colorado is close too, but its not a done deal. You Wisconsinites and Coloradoans better be hopping mad and get those anti-self-defense poli-critters be afraid of losing their jobs!!!

[MissTargets]

By appealing this case to Ohio's top court the defendants risk a statewide loss.

Let's hope.

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[Tauzero]

Wonderful news!

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

How many citizens will have their convictions overturned due to this ruling (or should I say when the Ohio SC rules against the law)?

[Redbob]

I know your map has it in the microprint, but allow me to clarify:

Vermont is NOT a "shall-issue" state!

No permit is required for the law-abiding non-felonious citizens.

[William Tell]

The map showing "shall issue" states and indicating that Kalifornia is a "carry limited by local discretion" state is misleading, I think, because the effect is that so few, in fact, permitted carry.

Perhaps someone who has the date might provide a map indicating percentages. I would be surprised if the numbers in Kalifornia are even 1% of the numbers in a "shall issue" state, making Kalifornia effectively a "no issue" state.

[not too stupid]

The General Assembly has enacted laws dealing with concealed weapons. The issue today is R.C. 2923.12. It bans carrying concealed weapons, but seeks to establish certain limited affirmative defenses to the ban. R.C. 2923.12 is unconstitutional under the Ohio Constitution (and arguably under the United States Constitution, but we do not reach the issue of whether it violates the Second Amendment). Similarly, R.C. 2923.16(B) and (C) ban the transportation of loaded firearms in a motor vehicle. But that prohibition is also subject to the limited and unconstitutionally vague affirmative defenses of R.C. 2923.12. Those statutes are unconstitutional also

Hey Kris. Seems pretty clear to me. The law outlawing CCW is ruled unconstitutional. What am I missing?

[not too stupid]

Sorry Spiral. That should be Hey Spiral instead of Hey Kris

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Great job with this map.

You should make it availbe in PDF, and Word so that thousands of firearm citizens can use in editorials and other campaigns for second amendment rights groups.

Semper Fi.

Gerat job chicagofarmer

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[smith288]

The Ohio Constitution states that I have a right to protect myself...not that I have a right to get body cavity searched to prove im worthy to carry... This pleases me, but Im greedy and I want Vermonts CCW law or lack of it.