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JUAN MIGUEL GONZALEZ REQUESTED ASYLUM THREE TIMES AND WAS DENIED BY RENO!!!!
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| April 10, 2002
| Luis Gonzalez
Posted on 04/09/2002 9:20:18 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: bvw
I never got the impression that the Miami Gonzalez', or their handlers, were negotiating in good faith. Kinda reminded me of Araphat in some ways.....
To: Tickle Me Pank
You agree then, that:
- They were negotiating at the time.
- That the goons busted in while negotiations were in progress.
Doesn't that remind you of the Nips "negotiating" right up and during the bombing of Pearl Harbor?
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posted on
04/10/2002 1:13:12 PM PDT
by
bvw
To: Luis Gonzalez; All
Orlando Sentinel-
Group: INS destroyed Elian asylum documents - The Associated Press - Posted April 10, 2002, 1:03 PM EDT [Full Text] MIAMI -- The head of the Immigration and Naturalization Service ordered the destruction of an e-mail that could have bolstered the request for asylum filed for Elian Gonzalez during the Cuban boy's stay in Miami, a conservative watchdog group said Wednesday.
A handwritten notation at the bottom of an INS memo dated Dec. 29, 1999, said that Doris Meissner, then the INS commissioner, ordered the memo destroyed the very next day.
A copy of the memo survived and was made public Wednesday by Washington-based Judicial Watch. It discussed the possibility that Elian's father at one time had sought a visa to move to the United States.
It also discussed allegations that the Cuban government had been coercing the father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez.
If coercion could be shown, the roughly drafted e-mail memo said, INS could "potentially accept the child's asylum application and advise that there is no prohibition on age to child filing application. As such PA should proceed." "PA" apparently refers to "political asylum."
The memo, written by INS attorney Rebeca Sanchez Roig, summarized a conference call on the Elian case involving several INS employees, including Meissner.
The handwritten notation on a printout of the e-mail memo, added by Roig some point after the memo was written, said Meissner ordered the destruction of all copies of the memo through another INS official.
It also said Meissner ordered that no more discussions related to Elian's case be put in writing.
Elian was rescued at sea off Florida in November 1999 after his mother and most of the other passengers traveling illegally from Cuba to the United States died when their boat capsized.
The boy was temporarily placed with relatives in Miami who, backed by other Cuban exiles, fought to keep the child in the United States.
The federal government said Elian should be reunited with his father in Cuba.
An INS spokeswoman in Miami, Patricia Mancha, said she could not immediately comment on the memo.
Meissner, reached at her home in the Washington area, said she could not comment because she was not aware of the details of the allegations.
Judicial Watch attorneys said the copy of the memo was provided to them this week by INS lawyer Diana Alvarez.
It was cited Tuesday at a civil service hearing on INS special agent Ricardo Ramirez's claims of threats, harassment and anti-Cuban-American sentiment in the INS Miami office at the time of Elian's stay in the United States.
In March, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit in which Ramirez claimed he was harassed for reporting alleged anti-Cuban bias in the agency after the Elian case.
Judicial Watch is a conservative group that gained prominence by repeatedly suing the Clinton White House. The group has sued Reno on behalf of 52 protesters and bystanders who claim federal agents were following her orders when they gassed, beat and threatened them during the raid on April 22, 2000. [End]
To: Luis Gonzalez
What time is your show; when is your show? ; can you send me a link?
Comment #265 Removed by Moderator
To: Marine Inspector
I saw that.
She is screwed.
To: cplboyle
You lying piece of something Hillary aspires to be.
Donato was ASKED to appear on shows, he didn't even take all of the invitations.
You want to spread lies, you'll have to deal with me, and I DO HAVE the insider on this one.
To: Luis Gonzalez
Janet Reno is a Cuban agent bump.
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posted on
04/10/2002 1:20:40 PM PDT
by
TBP
To: bvw
Yes, the Miami Gonzalez' were 'negotiating', but as I said, I question whether or not it was in good faith. That entire negotiation, you recall, was started at the request of a prominent Miamian who understood, apparently much more so that the Gonzalez', that things were going comeg to an end very soon.
Lazaro allowed his handlers to convince him that he had a leg to stand on, and I think he was very ill-served by them. He lawyered up 2 days after Elian was found at sea, and turned the whole mess into a sideshow.
To: Tickle Me Pank
"going comeg" = 'going to come', as translated by my bad fingies.... :)
To: FITZ
His parents were going back to the Soviet Union, the boy wanted freedom and he got to stay.I'll never forget that Reader's Digest story: "Never I Go Back"
Too bad we couldn't have had a sequel.
To: Tickle Me Pank
#251....doesn't prove??????? Juan knew Elian & his Mom were making the try for freedom. Juan phoned the Gonzalez family in Miami and asked they help Elizabet & Elian if they made the journey safely. There is phone records to prove the call.
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posted on
04/10/2002 1:29:40 PM PDT
by
BARLF
To: M. Thatcher
Was this the case cited in the Elian filings? Where an appelate court decided that the age of 12 was probably old enough to decide for himself that he didn't want to return with his parents to the Ukraine, I believe?
If so, the (Reagan) INS denied asylum (thus the appeal), but the appelate court's rulling was mooted by the fact that the lad had reached the age of 18 by that time.
To: Tickle Me Pank
Lazaro allowed his handlers to convince him that he had a leg to stand on Sure and he did now! But as this thread's head indicates Justice was corrupt from it's own head down.
Remember in the early stage of Mexican War we had a good number of honest men who rebeled at arms against their own fellow soldiers. Where were such honest rebels in DOJ?
Not that they should be at arms, but that a few good honest agents in the crew of goons might have balked and raised a public complaint at no less risk to themselves.
Such is the culture of irresponsibility pervasive in our culture that none did.
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posted on
04/10/2002 1:37:17 PM PDT
by
bvw
To: BARLF
No, the memo itself doesn't provide proof of anything asserted by JW. It discusses certain allegations made regarding the phone calls, and the possibility that JMG had applied for the visa lottery, but it doesn't prove anything.
AFAIK, the phone records haven't been made public - have you seen any?
To: Dan from Michigan
"And guess who is running for governor....."Past tense is more appropriate.
To: bvw
Legally, Lazaro's case was weak, very weak, from the outset. He was rebuffed in every court except for the 11th Circuit granting a full hearing after the panel had ruled against him. The full court then ruled against him. As I said, weak.
To: KnowYourEnemy
Most republicans, If this incident had been under a republican administration, would have supported sending the kid packing. You've been registered here for 2 days and you are already telling us what we would have done?
You poor, pathetic, product of a government school, don't you know the Republican policy on refugees from communist countries? Jesse Helms said it best, "once they're on the beach, they're welcome here".
To: TC Rider
So it was Helms who developed wet feet / dry feet? j/k :)
To: Tickle Me Pank
Legally, Lazaro's case was weak, very weak, from the outset. He was rebuffed in every court except for the 11th Circuit granting a full hearing after the panel had ruled against him. The full court then ruled against him. As I said, weak. 277 posted on 4/10/02 11:50 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by Tickle Me Pank
What was weak---clinton-reno-gore....538 votes weak!
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