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Exit Gun Control; These days, it s hands-off the Second Amendment
National Review Online ^

Posted on 04/09/2002 12:17:54 PM PDT by RCW2001

News stories from around the nation identifying gun control as a trip-wire issue dividing conservatives and liberals don't surprise. The events of September 11 have heightened the resolution of the "individual rights" interpreters of the Second Amendment. These are distinguished from the "collective rights" faction. The former stare the language in the face and come away with a reading different from the collective crowd. At issue is the interpretation of a single sentence: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Opponents of comprehensive gun-control laws view this as a constitutional guarantee of the right of Americans to own guns. An easy to way to put it is that they view the amendment as if the initial clause were irrelevant, leaving us simply with a guarantee against federal gun control that challenges the right of citizens to own weapons. By contrast, of course, there are those (roughly speaking, the nation's intelligentsia) who insist that the Second Amendment goes no further than to say that Congress may not legislate against the right of individual states to organize militias of arms-bearing citizens.

The learned arguments go on and on. The gun-control lobby has suffered two severe blows in the recent period. One of them is that Professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard, much esteemed by American liberals, in part because of his enthusiasm for abortion rights, having examined the historical documents, opines that indeed the people who framed the Bill of Rights intended to guarantee individual, not merely collective, gun-ownership rights. And the Fifth Circuit ruled in the same direction in United States v. Emerson.

As with other contentions requiring constitutional interpretation, the division over gun control is only one part historical (What did the framers intend?). Another, more significant part, is political (What does the American public want?) But it's better, and safer, to ask the question: What do the American people reasonably want? It probably could be established by polling that the American people would be happy to hang anybody who burns the U.S. flag, but such sentiments are not likely to be codified.

It's more fruitful to argue reasonable limitations on gun ownership. A comic routine in Las Vegas in 1980 featured a debate between presidential contenders Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter on the matter of gun control, Walter Cronkite presiding. "What about atom bombs, Governor Reagan? Do you believe the Constitution guarantees the right of individuals to have atom bombs?"

"Well, Mr. Cronkite," the comedian answered pensively, "just small atom bombs."

The assertion of a right at ridiculous lengths — the absolutization of it, in the manner of the American Civil Liberties Union — is a way of undermining it. If the Constitution says you can say anything you want under any circumstances, then you can shout fire! in a crowded movie theater. If you have the right to remain silent in all circumstance, then you can decline to give testimony vital to another citizen's freedom and rights. If you insist that a citizen has the right to own a machine gun, you discredit his right to own a pistol or a rifle.

What ripened in the aftermath of September 11 was a sensibility — of the individual citizen's dependence, at the margin, on his own resources. George Will put it pithily (as ever), when he asked, Call for a cop, an ambulance, and a pizza, and ask which is likelier to get to you first. A rifle in the closet wouldn't have been useful against the swooping 767s that struck the Twin Towers. But a sense of the implications of chaos and anarchy was sharpened. An analyst 20 years ago remarked that an 82-year-old couple living in an apartment in the Bronx, after twice being assaulted, found it possible to sleep at night only after acquiring a pistol and advertising its presence on a note pinned to the outside door.

Both sides will find it useful to temper extreme expressions of their positions. But it is certainly true that at this moment it is likelier that congressmen running for election or reelection in November will not press the collective interpretation of the Second Amendment.


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To: Destructor
"Language does change and evolve."

Sounds like liberal-speak to me. How can a word mean something different? Up is still up and down is still down. The "evolve" part I can understand. We have words like computer, bytes, fax, etc that are relatively new words that didn't exist 200-? years ago.
So evolve yes, change no.

The phrase "To keep (conceal) and bear (bring forth) arms ( swords, knives, guns, weapons) shall not be infringed" (break, impair, violate. To break an agreement; fail to observe the terms of;) is the same today as it was when the framers of the Constitution wrote that document.

The real funny part is, the Federal Constitution was never meant for the people of the several states. It was meant only for those of the United States and its territories and possessions.

Each state in the union of states has its own constitution pertaining to its own inhabitants, dealing with its own problems. That's why in Nevada prostitution and gambling is legal, while in California its not. A cop from California can't go to Nevada and arrest a Californian in Nevada participating in gambling or other activities that are perfectly legal in Nevada but, illegal in California.

If on the other hand an individual from Nevada went to California and started getting involved in activities that are legal in Nevada but, illegal in California, he or she can be arrested for participating in those now illegal activities.

The Federal government can not force individual states to do anything except if the states take Federal money than the Federal government can and does dictate to the states what it can and can't do.

Its time for the people of each state to tell the Fed.'s to take a hike. You take their money, you take their crap.

"The Constitution was ordained and established by the people of the U nited States forthemselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual States. Each State established a constitution for itself, and in that constitution provided such limitations and restrictions on the powers of its particular government as its judgment dictated. The people of the U nited S tates framed such a government for the U nited S tates as they supposed best adapted to their situation, and best calculated to promote their interests ."
This quote was taken from a book called

"DOCUMENTS AND READINGS IN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. NATION, STATE, AND LOCAL."
By
John Mabry Mathews
professor of political science in the university of illinois

And

Clarence Arthur Berdahl
Assistant professor of political science in the university of illinois.
1928. Page 79

121 posted on 04/20/2002 6:43:33 AM PDT by Mikey
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To: Mikey
Italics off

thank you.

122 posted on 04/22/2002 8:54:11 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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