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To: JediGirl
"It's absurd we are now facing this creationist threat," Professor Fortey said. "It's a debate that belongs to the 1840s. Evolution is not just a theory, it's as much of a fact as the existence of the solar system."

I believe the Greeks had an appropriate word for this: Hubris.

I wish to see an experiment, without tampering with the genes, where the initial and future conditions of an environment are set, and a prediction is made that is verified--especially with something like a fluke becoming a new species--according to what was predicted. Of course, one can look to variations that cannot be controlled in the environment, and therefore perhaps not a 100% perfect result can be had.
Until that happens, the know-it-alls like the fellow quoted above can stuff it.

And as far as 'we have already verified this theory', stating that one theory is valid because another theory supports it ( thereby fufilling predictions of the first theory ) is dishonest legerdermain.

119 posted on 04/09/2002 3:01:30 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe
I wish to see an experiment, without tampering with the genes, where the initial and future conditions of an environment are set, and a prediction is made that is verified--especially with something like a fluke becoming a new species--according to what was predicted.

OK. Take two herds of horses. Keep one on the plains. Put the other one in an environment where the land rises one inch per centry. 1 foot in 1200 years, 1000 feet in 1.2 million years. Let's let it go on for say, 5 million years.

I'm sure the actual biologists here can do better, but I'd predict that the 'horses' on the higher, more mountainous area will resemble (at least in behavior, I don't know about appearence) present-day donkeys or burros more than the original horses. (eg, they'd be more sure-footed than their ancestors)

When you've invented time travel, let's conduct the experiment. Until then, we have to work with what's available, namely fossils and DNA.

Can some creationist/IDer give me pointers on how to set up an experiment where we can observe 'special creation'?

124 posted on 04/09/2002 3:17:39 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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