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For you Jesuit fans.
1 posted on 04/08/2002 4:28:08 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Letter on the above review:
AMERICAN JESUITS
By Garry Wills, Rev. James Martin, S.J.
In response to "Jesuits in Disarray" (March 28, 2002)

To the Editors:

In his otherwise fair and balanced review of Passionate Uncertainty: Inside the American Jesuits, by Peter McDonough and Eugene C. Bianchi [NYR, March 28], Garry Wills makes three serious errors.

The first is his uncritical acceptance of the book's deeply flawed methodology. Mr. Wills terms the inclusion of former Jesuits in the survey "brilliant." But in a study of the current Society of Jesus, the fact that almost half of those interviewed were former Jesuits (206 out of 430) renders any conclusions based on the data largely useless. In fact, McDonough and Bianchi note that many of the former Jesuits interviewed departed the order in the 1960s and 1970s. Their observations about Jesuit life, therefore, are confined to experiences from thirty or forty years ago. And while these experiences may be of interest as a historical backdrop, they cannot be used to draw accurate conclusions about the Society of Jesus today. Also, in their "Notes on Methodology," the authors admit to using "snowball" sampling, that is, relying on interviewees to recommend others for the survey. This method guarantees a biased sample of like-minded individuals—for example, disgruntled former Jesuits. It is, in short, about as far as one can get from a "random" or "representative" sample.

Second, when discussing the presence of gay men in the Society of Jesus in the United States, Mr. Wills writes: "If the general [that is, the superior general of the Jesuits] should try to enforce the papal ban on any homosexual activity, the already thin ranks could be considerably reduced—gays might leave in droves...." Certainly there are gay Jesuits; no one disputes this. But Mr. Wills's statement assumes, wrongly, that being a gay Jesuit means, ipso facto, that one is sexually active. This is false: the vast majority of gay Jesuits—priests, scholastics, and brothers—keep their vow of chastity. McDonough and Bianchi simply do not provide any reliable data to support Mr. Wills's speculative claim.

Third, when discussing the future activities of a religious order faced with declining numbers, Mr. Wills states, "No serious thought has been given to what may be necessary steps—like divesting themselves of some if not most of their schools." This is perhaps the easiest error to refute. The Jesuit General Congregations, Jesuit superiors and rectors, Jesuit provincials, and probably every Jesuit in this country have done almost nothing but offer themselves to "serious thought" about what the future will hold, or to use a more religious image, how we should respond to the "signs of the times." Reflecting on the current situation in light of the gospel in order to plan for the future is a hallmark of Jesuit spirituality. Whether or not Mr. Wills agrees with these plans is another matter. But at the very least, as a former Jesuit, Mr. Wills should know that serious thought is one thing of which we have not divested ourselves.

(Rev.) James Martin, S.J.

Associate Editor
America

New York City

Garry Wills replies:

Father Martin says that I make three "serious errors" when I simply relay the findings of the authors whose book I was reviewing. What exactly are my (our) errors?

(1) It is said I rely on the views of "disgruntled former Jesuits." Father Martin must not have read the interviews. Most of the former Jesuits express continuing respect for the order (as do I). In fact, they seem generally as gruntled as priests still in the order. If the former Jesuits' views come from "thirty or forty years ago," that makes all the more striking their general congruence with the views of those still in the order. As I said in the review, this shows the wisdom of canvassing both groups of men.

(2) It is said that the general of the order is satisfied that his gay priests are sexually inactive. But: The papal position, recently voiced by the pope's press secretary, is that gays do not belong in the priesthood. And: Even if gays are sexually quiescent, many interviewed in the book say that the gays' subculture makes heterosexual Jesuits uncomfortable and has caused some to leave. And: If the gays are sexually abstinent, why have so many died from or suffered from AIDS?

(3) I hope Father Martin is right about the order's long-term planning, but few of those interviewed in the book are aware of this. Father Martin says that I (i.e., the book's authors) commit "the easiest error to refute." But he does not refute it. He might do so if he could point to a single document by Jesuit officials that seriously proposes (for instance) divesting themselves of their schools. Can he?

2 posted on 04/08/2002 4:32:17 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Today's Jesuits are certainly a disgrace to the Catholic Church. If the order is too corrupt to purge itself of its the homosexual influence - which seems to be the case - the sooner this once great order is gone, the better. And given the demogrtaphics within the Jesuit community, it seems God is erasing them from the Church.
10 posted on 04/08/2002 6:14:08 PM PDT by Zorrito
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To: aculeus
Dear Aculeus, Posting a Garry Wills piece regarding Catholicism (ANY element of the Faith) is not exactly posting a reliable source. Wills' Jesuit training fried his Catholic wiring to a fare-thee-well, sad to say. All that discipline of latin and Greek (I took them, too 4 years and 2) have gone to seed. Wills made a perfect ass of himself on 'O'Reilly' about 6 months ago--he was outdone by O'Reilly, himself, with his Marianist training.

The show was proof positive that BOTH of them are CINO's--like RINO's, except they show up occasionally in a Catholic church, not Episcopal.

14 posted on 04/08/2002 6:59:40 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: aculeus
One point not said in this article is that the fluid doctrines in the Society are the result of the former authoritarian holy office like organizations being scrapped. While seemingly flaccid and amorphous may seem to be a step back, my sense is that the mental health of the members of the more laid back orders is, by and large, a whole lot better than in orders where the emphasis is on maintaining "obedience" at any cost, and group think. Americans are too kind a people for crassly authoritarian orders to flourish on a big scale, but in other cultures, the story can be vastly different.

Very few of the freepers making comments about religious life have lived it; the differences between the insights of those who have and haven't are, usually, vast.

17 posted on 04/08/2002 7:35:47 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: aculeus
Gary,

Could your joining the Jesuits in 1951 have anything to do with not wanting to vacation in Korea that year?

19 posted on 04/08/2002 11:16:24 PM PDT by Norwell
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