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Israel is Palestine
Enter Stage Right ^ | April 8, 2002 | Charles A. Morse

Posted on 04/08/2002 10:56:44 AM PDT by gordgekko

I spent time working in a factory in Israel near Gaza in 1988. During that time, I became friendly with several Palestinian Arabs who would come in from Gaza to work. My impression, based on discussions with them, was that while they insisted on a Palestinian state, they also liked and respected Israel and hoped that their state would co-exist peacefully alongside Israel. I doubt if they feel that way today and I no longer believe that their dream, one that I shared at the time, is now possible or probably ever was.

This is because the Palestinian elite, along with their Arab and Islamic allies, will never give up their dream of annihilating Israel. As Muslims, the Arabs view Israel as a non-Islamic state in the very heart of the "Ummah" or the Islamic motherland. The true believing Muslim believes that all of the Ummah must be under the rule of Islam, which, in Arabic, means submission. In this context, Arab rulers view any "peace" treaty with Israel as simply a temporary way station on the road to eventual conquest. Palestinian statehood and identity is nothing more than a ruse to incite jihad. The Arabs are willing to wait hundreds of years to achieve this end and they will never give up.

The Arab rulers have won the propaganda war against Israel by shrewdly forming an alliance with the international left and their media mouthpieces. The left has transformed the Arab struggle to destroy Israel into one in which the Arabs are cast as the victims of a big and cruel Israeli "occupation." Leftist intellectuals and savants, either wittingly or otherwise, have sold the world on the idea that Israel is "occupying" the West Bank and Gaza while the Arabs consider any part of Palestine that has not "submitted" to Islam to be "occupied." The left media provides an echo chamber for Arab atrocity propaganda while providing a "scientific" justification for Arab atrocities.

How should the State of Israel deal with this ongoing threat? First of all, Israel is Palestine for the same reason that British Honduras is Belize or Rhodesia is Zimbabwe. Upon independence in 1948, the Palestinian Jews adopted the name of Israel because this was the ancient and indigenous name of the land of the Torah. Israelis are as Palestinian as Arabs as both populations immigrated en masse to the area around the same time. For reasons that are interesting and worth studying, Israel failed to achieve sovereignty in all of Palestine west of the Jordan in 1948. This failure is the cause of today's conflict and confusion regarding who is a Palestinian. In addition, Jordan is also actually Palestine east of the Jordan.

If Israel had achieved sovereignty in Palestine west of the Jordan in 1948, the Palestinian Arabs would be Israeli Arabs today. Israel is now backed into a corner and is probably going to be pressured into recognizing yet another Palestinian state west of the Jordan. If this state comes into being, it will probably continue to agitate for conquest regardless of who is in charge and, therefore, Israel will have to go to war periodically, at great sacrifice to all parties, in order to maintain the peace. This may be a moot point, however, as the Palestinians will, no doubt, not budge from the same positions they've maintained all along which is that Jewish cities and towns will have to be evacuated, Jerusalem will have to be surrendered, and millions of Palestinian Arabs will have their right granted to return to Haifa and Tel Aviv.

While I don't think this will happen in the near future, I do believe that Israel will eventually have no choice but to annex the West Bank and Gaza. If and when this happens, it would be appropriate for the Palestinian Arab residents to be given the option of becoming Israeli, Jordanian, or Palestinian citizens. The Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza should, at that time, be granted as much autonomy as possible with Israel maintaining overall control.

Palestinian Arabs should be allowed to return to live behind the pre-1967 Armistice lines as long as they agree to swear a loyalty oath to the State of Israel. A violation of this oath, such as engaging in subversive activity, should be cause, if a conviction occurs after a civil proceeding, for expulsion.

Chuck Morse is a talk show host on WROL 950 AM in Boston.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; napalminthemorning; palestine; palestinian; wot
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To: gordgekko
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41 posted on 04/08/2002 2:00:05 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: philosofy123
Do you support a declaration that the USA is a Christian nation with special privileges to any person who is Christian, and lots of abuse to non-Christians? If you said yes, you would be a fool, and if you said no, then you are inconstant!

Not at all. The US was founded as a non-sectarian nation by Christians. It was a Christian nation, although it no longer is.
That said, countries can be founded in any way the people want. If a bunch of Muslims get together in a country and found it as a Islamic Republic or even Caliphate, that is their right.

42 posted on 04/08/2002 3:00:45 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: dennisw
please add me to ypur 'ping' list. thanx!
43 posted on 04/08/2002 3:34:51 PM PDT by gracex7
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To: gordgekko
Eventually, Palestinian resistance may shake off Israel's ugly reign of terror in the West Bank and Gaza. Until then Palestinian (and Israeli) victims will continue to accumulate.
44 posted on 04/08/2002 3:57:31 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: philosofy123
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same Omnipotent God who is involved in Israel today, and in the affairs of all mankind. You said that He should not be involved in the "mess" of issues. That is what all non-believers would like, that's that the anti-Messiah likes you to say. This is still His creation and we will all soon see how He rules, the outcome will be too divine for your earthly taste.
45 posted on 04/08/2002 4:44:08 PM PDT by Hila
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To: ThreeOfSeven
May the Palestinians terrorists in their reign of terror be brought to their end.
46 posted on 04/08/2002 4:45:57 PM PDT by Hila
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To: LadyAustin
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47 posted on 04/08/2002 5:17:57 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Hila
The infrastructure of Israeli state terrorism should be dismantled, asap.
48 posted on 04/08/2002 5:20:35 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: philosofy123
Philo, hate to disillusion you on this, but Israel really is a non-religious country. Your average Israeli is not at all religious, and views holidays like Yom Kippur as a good excuse to go to the beach. Seriously. The religious parties have a fair amount of political power in their parliamentary system, but to call Israel a theocracy is just wrong.

Ditto that on the Palestinians. What they are, are Arab nationalists, like the Iraqis and Egyptians. Despite the religious rhetoric, your average Palestinian is nowhere as religious as, say, your average Saudi.

49 posted on 04/08/2002 5:35:57 PM PDT by LadyAustin
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To: wheezer


Either way ya' gotta' admit, the Romans had a very impressive run.


By whose standards? Doesn't seem to impressive to me. Now this is impressive:

Revelation 21:6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
50 posted on 04/08/2002 6:34:15 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: philosofy123
Actually, no I don't. But it doesn't matter a damn bit what I think is best. It is the Israelis who have chosen that their state will be an ostensibly Jewish one. My gripe with your point is that your opinion doesn't matter a damn bit either.

Now tell me what some of the differences are between Israel as Jewish state and Saudi Arabia as a Muslim monarchy.

Here, I'll help you. Israel permits the free exercise of all faiths. A sizable portion of the Israeli electorate is made up of Arab Christians and Muslims. Bibles, churches, temples, anything to do with any faith but Sunni Islam are banned in Saudi Arabia. The choice for Americans is not to change how those people govern themselves as much as it is to choose between a freely chosen and tolerant "theocracy" and one that is murderously closed.

Regarding your education, my remark was intended to parody your dictatorial tone. I have no idea what soaring heights you have attained in your academic career, but people who fantasize about having the power to dictate instant "solutions" to what are highly emotional and intractable problems are childish. So, what grade did you complete that got you to this "philosofical" (sic) point ?

51 posted on 04/09/2002 9:34:40 AM PDT by katana
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To: katana
Today's front page in The Wall Street Journal, there is an intriguing article about (our friend) Saudi Arabia. They said that 25% of the population are non-Moslem foreign workers. The Saudi have to ship out hundreds of dead workers because they consider them infidel/not clean? The sands of their freaking desert is full of Camel dung, but god forbid cannot burry a Buddhist or a Christian worker!
52 posted on 04/09/2002 12:32:00 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: wheezer
.... the Romans had a very impressive run.

Yep.

Gotta admit it.

Until, that is, God rendered unto Rome, that which was Rome's!

[Payback's a b*tch, eh, Big Julie?]


53 posted on 04/11/2002 6:25:43 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
Until, that is, God rendered unto Rome, that which was Rome's!

Good line.

But I'll still file the decline of Rome as the natural pathology of Empires rather than the hand of God.

BTW...who's "Big Julie".
54 posted on 04/11/2002 6:36:26 AM PDT by wheezer
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To: wheezer
"Big Julie" Caesar! Capo di Capo of all the Rome families!

[For a while he had a consiglere called "U-Two" Brutus -- and another called "Tony the Mark." Neither worked out good, I hear]

55 posted on 04/11/2002 6:49:53 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
LOL!

Never had the pleasure of knowing any of those guys personally, but from my days in NY I did get to know "Tommy Ice", "Billy Lobster", the great "Bootsie" (who tried to rob a bank at age seventy), and "Big Uncle Eddie" (who once threatened to cut my ears off).

I used to wonder what was worse, having those guys as enemies...or having those guys as friends.
56 posted on 04/11/2002 6:59:12 AM PDT by wheezer
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