Clinton continues to drop in retrospective poll data. Only Nixon lower.

Gallup News Service | 04.08.02 | Frank Newport

[palo verde]

I agree with your hubby
if there is such a thing as anti-christ, billclinton is it
he is the Great Deceiver
he substituted illusion for truth
his emotional range is from suspiciousness to viciousness
it is wonderful miracle our citizens saw through him, and got him out of power
Love, Palo

[meandog]

Although I will grant that not commiting the dead, but trying to cover it up isn't nearly as ethically reprehensible as actually comitting the deed AND trying to cover it up.

...the difference between Clinton and Nixon--but look who ended up with the short end of history's stick!

[leadpenny]

I liked your rant at 18. Hope you don't think I was serious at 5. It was my feeble attempt at sarcasm, of course.

[palo verde]

hi texasbluebell
perceptive posts
we were able to remove huge power invested in President from him and turn it over to George W
but he is Head of Dem Party
Dems in Congress still carry out all his whims
media remains in thrall to him
his mischief making continues behind the scenes now
we are safe from his trouble-making, but not free from it
Love, Palo

[palo verde]

if only billclinton were history
he continues to rule Dems in Congress with iron fist
he architected the Jeffords coup
he is still looking out for gangster interests
and won't let Judiciary Committee approve President Bush's appointment of honest federal judges
Love, Palo

you are right to say clinton and Nixon do not belong is same breath

[MI_too]

" Bay of Pigs, Berlin Wall, Cuban Missle crises, Bang your dead."

Okay. One at a time, summing up:

Bay of Pigs = sellout of the Cuban patriots

Berlin Wall = self-serving posturing (don't recall HIM telling Krushchev, "Mr. Kruschev, tear down this wall!" Let's see, what did he say again -- "Ich bin eine grandstander?")

Cuban Missile Crisis = "No choice -- we've been outmaneuvered and we're nailed, either way. We have to call their bluff, and pray that they blink." Lucky choice.

Bang, you're dead. Despite all the Camelot crap during and since the Kennedy administration, he was not during his lifetime an effective or popular president. The mindless fawned over Jackie's preoccupation with fashion and being the American queen, and even we conservatives thought the Kennedy kids were cute, but it was Johnson who rammed through all the horrendously expensive legislation Kennedy tried to get enacted, (education, Great Society, Viet Nam War) but could not. Arguably, had he not been assassinated, we'd be less far down the road of socialism than we are now.

[Calvin Locke]

Now what was so great about [Kennedy's "accomplishments"]

You forgot that he made it mandatory for federal employees to join a union, inspired Bill Clinton, got us more involved in Vietnam.

In his defense, and the his real legacy (which p!sses off his daughter) is his tax cuts. The downside of all that
revenue pouring in to the Treasury was the "Great Society".

Still, all these Kennedy worshippers fail to realize that he was not in office long enough to really do anything to
receive the adoration that he does.

[murdoog]

There's such an evil air surrounding this man and his wife. It's like Stan is protecting them for the bigger job he has planned

So HE'S behind all this. Ever since I started watching Southpark I've thought there was something a little suspicious about him. I'll betchya he even had Kenny killed off.

[murdoog]

The other day, while watching Sunday news programs, he brought up Clintons name. All he said was "the more I hear, the more I'm beginning to thing Clinton is the real anti-Christ." I've been posting that same feeling on FR, but never mentioned it to him. He saw it for himself.

I used to think Bill Clinton was the antichrist, but I've since rejected the idea. There's just too many people who are not taken in by him.I still think there might be something to the notion he had a pact with the devil. That would sure explain why the economy was so good during his tenure.

[Mia T]

There is a great deal of interest in how history is going to view Bill Clinton...Our first indication from the public does little to suggest that Clinton's image has become more positive in the 14 months since he left office. Just 51% of Americans now say they approve of the job Clinton did while in office, and a substantial 47% say they disapprove (the second-highest disapproval rating, behind only Nixon's). This marks a drop from the higher ratings he was receiving as he left office, and a slight drop even from his overall two-term average.

Clinton continues to drop in retrospective poll data. Only Nixon lower.

Gallup News Service

 

Thanx for the heads up. Notwithstanding 9/11, the following C-SPAN finding applies.

Note especially historian Douglas Brinkley's comment...

 

A C-SPAN survey of 58 U.S. historians has concluded that Bill Clinton is the president with the lowest 'moral authority' -- beating out Richard Nixon for last place, Monday's NEW YORK TIMES is set report.

----C-SPAN PRESIDENTS POLL: CLINTON JUDGED LOWEST IN MORALS

 

clinton's ranking will likely get worse over time. Economic issues fade in importance over time. Moral issues presist and grow. (paraphrase)

------Douglas Brinkley, history prof., on Washington J. discussing C-SPAN poll  

 

I think that history will view this much differently. They will say I made a bad personal mistake, I paid a serious price for it, but that I was right to stand and fight for my country and my constitution and its principles...

-----the First Psychopath

 

...[bill clinton], a man who will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents.

-----Al Gore at clinton's post-impeachment rally

 

It is not the strength but the duration of great sentiments that makes great men.

-----Nietzsche

 

I suspect that, to spite us all,

Arthur Schlesinger will live to 120

just so he can write

the definitive clinton hagiography.

--------Mia T, Musings: Senatorial Courtesy Perverted

History Lesson

by Mia T

 

Someone--was it Maupassant?--

once called history "that excitable and lying old lady."

The same can be said of historians.

 

Surely it can be said of Doris Kearns Goodwin,

the archetypical pharisaical historian,

not-so-latently clintonoid,

Lieberman-Paradigmatic

(i.e., clinton is an unfit president;

therefore clinton must remain president),

intellectually dishonest,

(habitually doing what the Arthur Schlesingers of this world do:

making history into the proof of their theories).

 

The Forbids 400's argument is shamelessly spurious.

They get all unhinged over the impeachment of clinton,

claiming that it will

"leave the presidency permanently disfigured and diminished,

at the mercy as never before of the caprices of any Congress."

 

Yet they dismiss the real and present--and future!!--danger

to the presidency and the country

of not impeaching and removing

this admittedly unfit, (Goodwin)

"documentably dysfunctional," (NYT)

presidency-diminishing, (Goodwin)

power-abusing,

psychopathic thug.

 

Doris Kearns Goodwin and those 400 other

hog-and-bow-tied-save-clinton,

retrograde-obsessing historiographers

are a supercilious, power-hungry,

egomaniacal lot in their own right.

 

For them, clinton validates

what Ogden Nash merely hypothesized:

Any buffoon can make history,

but only a great man can write it.

 

 

POSTSCRIPT:

Weekly Standard writer Tucker Carlson has dubbed Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz "loser of the week" for his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee last week. The New York Times described his testimony as "gratuitously patronizing."

 

"Why would Wilentz risk his reputation to join the already bulging ranks of Clinton throne-sniffers?" Mr. Carlson asked Marxist historian Eugene Genovese, who guesses that "the pressure of time and the passions of the moment" got to Mr. Wilentz.

 

"As for why anyone would cite the Framers in defense of Clinton, Genovese seems baffled" Mr. Carlson wrote.

 

Mr. Genovese told Mr. Carlson: "I come from a rather tough working-class neighborhood where attitudes toward women left a great deal to be desired. ... But if anybody had said in the local pool room" some of the things President Clinton reportedly did to Monica Lewinsky, "the attitude would have been, 'That's degenerate. You don't do that to a girl, not even a whore.' The idea that the United States of America, the supreme world power, would tolerate a man in office who is a palpable moral degenerate -- the Founding Fathers would have choked."

The Washington Times---Inside Politics

it won't s-p-i-n  

KNOWNOTHING VICTIMS RODHAM/CLINTON REVISITED

^{Q ERTY2} "There isn't a shred of evidence."

HILLARY, YOU KNOW, ^{KnowNothing Victim} Q ERTY4 ^{double bagel}

They ARE space aliens

reckless rodham-clinton-gore reinvention-of-government schemata

W I D E B O D Y. _{low-center-of-gravity} Dim Bulb, _{Congenital Bottom Feeder}

_{Q ERTY3} ^{zipper-hoisted}

clinton zipper vitiated by obvious spilth

_{Humpty Dummies}

Q ERTY6 _{utter failure} IT IS OBVIOUS

^{4th-Estate Malfeasance} (DEATH BY MISREPORT)

_{rodham-clinton} ^{reality-check} BUMP!