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MAG: Mailed Anthrax 'More Sophisticated Than Any Form Previously Known'
Newsweek via MSNBC ^ | 4/7/02 | Mark Hosenball, John Barry and Daniel Klaidman

Posted on 04/07/2002 8:49:09 AM PDT by Brian Mosely

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Last fall FBI profilers announced that the person who sent deadly anthrax-laced letters to news organizations and Capitol Hill was probably a grudge-bearing, sociopathic male laboratory nerd with knowledge of the geography of Trenton, N.J. But a new scientific analysis sent to top government officials suggests the anthrax attacker may be a scientific whiz so smart that he succeeded in making a

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist
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To: Ranger
The sites in Florida and NJ where the packages originated are in either heavy muslim populated areas or near known terrorists

That's exactly right. New Jersey has a large middle eastern/muslim population. My focus has been on this combined with the very large number of middle eastern students attending Rutgers University. Rutgers is known for specializing in the sciences. Particularly microbiology. A couple of months ago the feds were investigating the photocopiers at Rutgers for a possible match to the anthrax letters. I found that interesting. I've been checking regularly for updates on that story in the Jersey papers.

41 posted on 04/07/2002 12:19:33 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: glorygirl; jwh_Denver; sonofliberty2; OKCSubmariner; eno; ConsistentLibertarian; Travis McGee...
repinging in case anyone missed this
42 posted on 04/07/2002 12:29:33 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: The Great Satan
Well, I don't expect him to announce the day and time. But this article gives a hint of what's coming.

Click Here!

And don't forget, Britain's in an uproar because Blair says he supports the US in taking out Saddam...soon!

43 posted on 04/07/2002 12:34:10 PM PDT by chaosagent
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To: Brian Mosely
If the guy or government that created this was smart enough to produce something that our own scientists couldn't fathom maybe they are also smart enough to create the profile indicators that lead them away from the real source ? In other words why can't the bad guys have their own profilers ?
44 posted on 04/07/2002 12:44:39 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: chaosagent
Good question. A similar question is: Why only two "unexplained" anthrax deaths? One in NYC, and one in Connecticut. What are the odds that nobody else died of anthrax? How many cases of fatal pneumonia in that time?
45 posted on 04/07/2002 1:04:00 PM PDT by eno_
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To: The Great Satan
When two sides are in a standoff, both armed with weapons of annihilation, they can bluster and posture all they like. But that's all they do. That's where we are right now, in a nuclear-biological standoff with Iraq.

This is true, of course. But there's a time element that you're omitting. At the moment, we are still much more powerful than Iraq. But things will get progressively worse over time. If we simply let this standoff continue for a period of, say, 10 or 20 years, by that time Iraq will have full-fledged nuclear capability and the balance of power will be irreparably changed, much for the worse.

We must do something soon. And, basically, the sooner the better, since Iraq is only getting stronger. The only thing to wait for is sufficient anthrax and smallpox vaccine for our population, and that's well under way.

This is not a pretty scenario. But it's better than what we would see after two decades of inaction.

The biggest wild card in all this is China. I don't know what China's involvement might be, if any, but that could be holding Pres. Bush back too.

46 posted on 04/07/2002 1:14:03 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Nogbad
Thanks for the regular updates on the the anthrax investigation. Back in November a Rutgers University microbiology/bioterrism specialist in had an interesting theory which he related to the AP and I tend to agree with. It's an older article so I just highlighted his comments at the end of the article.

Lots of anthrax theories, no proof

The Associated Press

Bioterrorism experts say the teaspoonful of powdered anthrax spores sent to Sen. Tom Daschle's office could have come from an Iraqi weapons laboratory or a New Jersey basement.

They say it could have been made by experienced biological weapons scientists or educated amateurs with access to special equipment, techniques and advice.

More than six weeks after anthrax-tainted letters began arriving, federal authorities say they still know almost nothing about where the deadly powder comes from or who cooked it up.

"We don't know its origin," Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said Wednesday. "We have not ruled out whether this was an act of an individual or a collective act, whether it was a domestic source or a foreign source." At least three anthrax-laced letters have been mailed since the Sept. 11 attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon. But the one opened in Daschle's office on Oct. 15 has attracted the most attention.

Stunned officials used words like "weaponized" and "potent" to describe the powder in the hours after it wafted out of an envelope addressed to Daschle in crude block letters. Later, a rigorous analysis by the U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Disease at Fort Detrick, Md., found that the powdered anthrax in the Daschle letter was the perfect size to float in the air and lodge in the lungs.

In addition to knowledge, it probably took a well-constructed laboratory to produce the high-quality powder that was sent to Daschle's office, said former United Nations weapons inspector Richard Spertzel.

He believes a foreign country is the source of the anthrax in the Daschle letter, most likely Iraq.

But Richard H. Ebright, a microbiologist and bioterrorism expert at Rutgers University, thinks the powder was produced much closer to its target. "I continue to believe the most likely prospect is that it was produced by a single person or a small group of people locally," Ebright said. "By locally I mean New Jersey."

Ebright argues that one or two biological weapons experts could have visited New Jersey long before Sept. 11, imparted their rarified knowledge to a few local operatives, then left without ever being noticed.

47 posted on 04/07/2002 1:16:53 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Ranger
I believe you're right. It was Iran, not Iraq where the bio lab was set up.

Let's assume ( just for argument's sake ) the Cubans did initiate this attack :
1. What was their motive ?
2. Does the choice of "targets" suggest anything ?
3. Could the seemingly random "collateral victims" have been links of some sort ( conscious, unconscious, accidental ) on the "Old Comrades' Network" ?

I believe the original networks, set up by the Communists prior to the "fall" of Russia, may still be in existence: utilized by The Cubans and/or Chinese - to whom the American communists may have transferred their loyalty. (Cuba would seem the logical beneficiary of this loyalty, given the attachment of American communists to its "revoluntionary struggle".)

LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD GOING !!

48 posted on 04/07/2002 1:17:18 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: chaosagent
The people have already been told not to expect any move against Sadddam before the fall. My guess is that it will be "just over the horizon" -- a convenient six months away -- for a year or two, at least. I believe Dubya when he says he has decided Saddam has to go -- the POTUS doesn't issue such threats casually. I also believe Colin Powell when he said today that the President doesn't have a plan on his desk to attack Iraq. We will do this on our own schedule, working fist-in-glove with Sharon and Blair. But removing Saddam Hussein is going to be a very dangerous operation, akin to performing brain surgery with a chisel and a rusty penknife. If we miscalculate, millions will die. Bush will take his time about this. Watch.
49 posted on 04/07/2002 1:40:03 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Mitchell
Well, the question of timing must exercise Bush and his team greatly. Supposedly, we are not going to move against Saddam for at least six months -- lack of spare parts, blazing summer heat in Iraq and all that, don't you know? -- and I suspect that the attack will remain "six months away" for another year or two. When they announce mass vaccination programs for the civilian population, then you'll know that the attack is really only a few months away.
50 posted on 04/07/2002 1:57:48 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Excuse_Me
I think a lot like you. It's quite possible the ISI had this created for Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. It's entirely possible the ISI is covering for the physicist responsible for this new and never before seen "technique" used to weaponize this anthrax. JMHO.
52 posted on 04/07/2002 2:11:44 PM PDT by keri
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
But as a warning to what...keep out of Afghanistan? If this was a demonstration or a warning, what did it accomplish?
53 posted on 04/07/2002 2:38:47 PM PDT by chaosagent
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To: right_to_defend
bump
54 posted on 04/07/2002 2:53:37 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Ranger
"The strain of anthrax seems to be described as different. The earlier ones where described as the Ames strain. This is now claimed to be a natural strain out of Texas. What is correct?"

Both are. It turns out the Ames strain actually originated in Texas, but was misidenified as coming from Ames because of the return address on the re-usable container a Texas A&M scientist used to ship the samples.

56 posted on 04/07/2002 2:58:31 PM PDT by okie01
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Al-Qaeda is a recruitment and PR outfit. Organization, planning and direction for 9-11 came from somone else. Someone who isn't suicidal, and who isn't in a position to run away if we point the finger. Someone who also happens to be extremely partial to anthrax. Someone who's initials are SH.
57 posted on 04/07/2002 2:59:49 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Brian Mosely
I think they know who sent it and where it came from.
58 posted on 04/07/2002 3:02:04 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Brian Mosely
I can't imagine this admin leaking anything to (shudder) Newsweak. Leaking on...well now, that's another story. Are you listening, Spikey?
59 posted on 04/07/2002 3:03:40 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: right_to_defend
Mega - bump. This information is being leaked for a reason. I just don't know what it is yet.

You also don't know what's true, and what's disinformation. You don't even know who it is that the dispensers of disinformation are trying to fool, nor the extent to which the press adds their own distortions and uninitentional inaccuracies.

However, assuming this story is essentially true, what conclusions can be drawn?

First, it should be noted that the strain of the microbe has been widely distributed, and is considered to be the gold standard for use as a weapon. This means that whoever chose it would not have needed to do any testing on the anthrax strain itself to check its effectiveness. It also means that the perpetrators would have assumed (perhaps wrongly, given subsequent technical advances) that there would be no need to worry too much about having their identity determined by genetic testing.

Secondly, it means that the weaponized anthrax did not come from stockpiles of weapons-grade anthrax produced by publicly-admitted US bioweapons programs that were terminated decades ago. But it in no way means that the anthrax did not come from "black" US bioweapons programs that may be operating right this minute (the "mad scientist issues warning" scenario). If the anthrax did in fact come from a "black" US research effort, then the authorities would obviously wish to hide that fact using any means necessary.

What distinguishes the anthrax in the letters from other anthrax are two things: 1) the fineness of the milling, and 2) the effectivness of the coating. Milling technology can be researched, applied, learned and taught without having anything to do with anthrax. The same goes for coatings. The only complications that anthrax adds are a) how to powderize, mill and coat the anthrax without disabling it, and b) how to powderize, mill and coat the anthrax without infecting oneself.

A person who already has expertise with a) safely handling dangerous microbes, and b) powderizing, milling and applying coatings to microbial powders, would not necessarily need to conduct any elaborate testing of the powderized, milled and coated anthrax he produces. He already knows the bacterial strain is potent. He already knows how to powderize, mill and coat the spores without disabling them. He already knows the optimal size for the spores. He already knows the optimal properties for a coating. And if his purpose is merely to warn, or to scare the US into taking the threat of bioweapons seriously, or to profit from panic, extensive testing just isn't necessary. You don't need to actually expose hordes of monkeys to anthrax powder just to check whether or not the spores are active. You don't need to expose humans to anthrax just to check the aerosol properties of your powder, or the ability of the spores to penetrate various materials.

You do, however, need access to the right equipment and supplies. I am no expert in this area, but I have been told that this could all be done in someone's garage, using equipment whose cost is not beyond the means of a reasonably well-to-do individual. You also need someone who either knows about milling techniques and coatings that are not general knowledge among those who work in this field, or who is capable of coming up with new techniques of his own that outclass what everyone else thought was the state of the art. This is not impossible, although it does seem at least somewhat unlikely. It certainly narrows the field of suspects--which the perpetrator would have to know, making this scenario even more unlikely.

Thirdly, then, we conclude that if the perpetrator is a "mad scientist," then he probably got his anthrax from some "black" weapons program, or else got the required knowledge there.

Finally, it should be obvious that this information, if correct, raises the likelihood that the anthrax letters were sent by a foreign power, and not by terrorists who somehow got hold of anthrax from an old Soviet stockpile (for example).

60 posted on 04/07/2002 3:07:22 PM PDT by sourcery
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