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To: Senator Pardek
Unfortunately, I see some of that attitude here - with cries against "corporatism" and "soulless capitalism".

But, capitalism is soulless. It's merely the economic equivalent of science. Neither has anything necessarily to do with morality. Scientific and capitalistic methods are tools, and can be used for either good or evil.

Of course, both capitalism and science require a generous dose of liberty to function, so there are inherent limits on the evil to which they can descend.

12 posted on 04/06/2002 2:12:18 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Of course, both capitalism and science require a generous dose of liberty to function, so there are inherent limits on the evil to which they can descend.

Capitalism also requires a basic common-law: a set of basic, though frequently undetailed, rules. It also does better with "seeding", which by the uncynical, can be viewed as "charity"; and in its basic form is service to others.

18 posted on 04/06/2002 2:35:56 PM PST by lepton
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To: Restorer
I would beg to disagree with you a bit .... but you probably would feel the disagreement isn't really a disagreement.

The Buourgeoisophobes tend towards Socialism (or communism, when too few people are willing to voluntarily enslave themselves to society.) They truly believe that the acquisition of wealth is wrong, and all should work to a common good.

But as Walter Williams (Geo. Mason Univ. - Professor of Economics) observes - money is actually like a "certificate of performance" for satisfying a fellow man. If I mow your lawn, you might pay me $10.00. If I re-roof your house, you might pay me $1000.00. One is obviously more valuable to you than the other. If I sing for you, you might pay me $1.00 - (to go away). But you might be willing to pay $20 to $100 for a concert performance of a top "super-star" because that person makes you happier, and you reward the job they do with more certificates - all voluntarily exchanged.

Even the "Robber Barons" of the late 1800's should actually be considered great humanitarians. When a Steamship magnate put out a lot of small ship companies out of business - he was considered "predatory". But he offered a higher quality ride, more luxurious, and at a much lower cost ... and his reward was to become very wealthy, because he pleased his customers. The big oil tycoons actually provided better and lower cost products - and the owners (and companies) prospered, not at the expense of the customers, but of their competition (who didn't receive enough "certificates of performance" to stay in business.)

The reality is the snobbish "elite" look down on having to "earn" anything. They feel that it is owed them as a birthright! They want to remain in charge, as the elite. And they snub having to prove their worth. They are like modern artists who claim to be equal to Michelangelo, even though their works are no better than some 2nd grade students might do ... but they feel that they are entitled to federal subsidiesn, grateful art galleries and fawning audiences willing to acknowledge their greatness - all without them having to do anything to earn it!

So capitalism can't be "soul-less" .... it succeeds only when people are successful at satifying other people and earning those valuable certificates of performance (better know as "DOLLARS".)

Mike

21 posted on 04/06/2002 3:38:29 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: Restorer
Oh the power of envy how it drives men to foolishness and worse. I think I aggre with you about capitalisms soulless nature.Business can be a force for evil as well as good. But I thank God for the liberty we enjoy that allows us to start and build the companys we have in America.I apprecate the upward mobility it affords so many. Viva la Bourgeoise!
25 posted on 04/06/2002 4:29:42 PM PST by rising tide
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