Posted on 04/05/2002 8:59:46 PM PST by freespeech1
Abundy is a clown. How could anyone think I was serious in bestowing platitudes on him?
-- Good grief. -- I'll let your last several posts speak for themselves on who is the clown, VA. - & You will lose.
As for you, you're quick today. Have you stopped drinking?
-- Now there's a snappy retort. - Yep, I stopped to watch you make a fool of yourself. --- Thanks
You conveniently ignore the entire basis of the discussion. This has nothing to do with cops, and everything to do with self defense and protecting your family. (Incidentily, criminals steal police clothes and impersonate cops all the time.)
We all respect the police, just not the ones using battering rams thru your door pointing guns at your head. Anyone for that should move to Cuba.
Are there laws that govern the eviction process, or do you simply call the cops when someone is late on their rent and have them booted out?
Here is how this debate should go:
1. Did the cops do break the law trying to enforce it?
2. Did the cops illegally enter the home of the defendant?
3. Does the home owner have the right to defend his home against illegal entry?
Thats all there is to this argument. If the cops broke the law trying to enforce it, they were wrong. If the defendant illegally entered the home of the police, would they have the right to use force to stop him?
I concur this is a sad event and have compassion for the officers and their families. But I take exception to your claim that that The militarization of police functions in America is a HUGE problem, but IMO its not evident here. When the LEO's are wearing body armor and carrying Glocks they take liberties and feel invincable sadly sometimes there are unexpected results.
The only thing missing from this being a perfect statist ping list would be the addition of Texaggie79; Memphis Belle
Comes down to this I guess: what was the more heinous act that day? The two policemen using the key to come in the door, or the two policemen being blown out the door dead from a shotgun blast? It's an easy one for me, but then again I'm a Nazi.
But he's no Abundy. Sigh.
EoD
Were the officers committing a felony, or did the defendant have reason to believe they were, at the time they entered the property? I believe that is the question which needs to be answered.
If the officers were committing a felony, then the question becomes whether and why they should be regarded any differently from any other criminal. Personally I think those who are sworn to uphold the law should be held to a higher standard than paeons, but in practice that is not the case.
If the officers were not committing a felony, but the defendant had reason to believe that they were, then issues become much more complicated. All I can say with certainty in that case is that people who act like they are committing felonies, even when they are not, are liable to treated as though they are.
Finally, it's interesting to note that one of the criteria for self-defense is whether the harm done by the assailant would be remediable at law. Unfortunately, we are rapidly moving toward the point where harm done by uniformed criminals is no longer remediable at law. I would suggest that those who work to quash prosecutions of such criminals consider the implications of that rather than continuing to ignore such misconduct.
Pinging them just feeds their egos anyway. - They have no shame when it comes to hating the constitution, or the principles of a free republic.
I am aware of that concept but do not feel obliged to extend a courtesy to those that would abuse me.
Eff'em
You Sir, are a state treasure.
There is small but vocal group infesting FR who would choose the former. Fortunately, they lack the courage to act on their hateful urges.
But sooner or later, they will be on the receiving and then listen as they scream.
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