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The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians"
Tzemach Organization ^ | 04/05/2002 | oswegodeee

Posted on 04/05/2002 3:31:40 PM PST by oswegodeee

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To: traditionalist
So what are you proposing to do with the people who beleive themselves to be the nation of Palestine?

They can do what the Germans who were in Sudetenland, Pomerania, and Prussia did: Be killed outright, robbed, raped, or try to get out Dodge beforehand. The West Bank and Gaza were, and still should be, and may yet be, conquered territory, with its inhabitants at the mercy or lack thereof, the conquerors.

The Arabs have tried to eliminate on three occassions. They failed. It's way past their turn for the fate they wished for the Israelies. Live with it.

61 posted on 04/06/2002 2:16:29 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: MissAmericanPie
See my #61 and then think that you be called a moderate even-handed commentator the Isreal-Palestine conumdrum.
62 posted on 04/06/2002 2:29:54 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: LostTribe
Gee, where to begin?

I think you lost me back there where you had one of the "Lost Tribes" actually having escaped from Egypt a hundred or so years before Moses came along.

Sorry, until God's chosen people move into Palestine and create their various states, tribal reserves and holy places, there cannot be any "Lost Tribes"

Recent threads here in FR pointed to a firm belief on the part of the people now residing throughout the greater part of Afghanistan that they are/were Jews, and the "Lost Tribes" were taken to Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is East of Palestine. Carvajal is West of Palestine.

Unfortunately it has become the fate of the modern Irish (who nearly all live in the USA) to save the "Lost Tribes" as well as the "Not so Lost Tribes" of Hebrews from their enemies. We did it twice for the Afghan crowd in a single 10 year period. We have done it several times for the guys in Palestine. We are getting ready to do it for yet another gorup of "Lost and Not so Lost Tribes" resident in Yemen, and maybe even in Somalia!

Now, back to the Phoenicians - they came from the East! They invented our alphabet. The Arabs and Hebrews got it all backwards anyway.

63 posted on 04/06/2002 2:33:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
>I think you lost me back there where you had one of the "Lost Tribes" actually having escaped from
Egypt a hundred or so years before Moses came along.

Aaaahhhhmmm.  No, I don't think the Proto-Celts have ever been called the Lost Tribes, certainly not by me.

>Sorry, until God's chosen people move into Palestine and create their various states, tribal reserves
and holy places, there cannot be any "Lost Tribes"

Did you actually read my Profile?  It sure doesn't sound like it?

>Recent threads here in FR pointed to a firm belief on the part of the people now residing throughout
the greater part of Afghanistan that they are/were Jews,

It doesn't matter what they think, they are not.  Other people also think they are.  They are not.

>Afghanistan is East of Palestine. Carvajal is West of Palestine.

Who asked?

>Unfortunately it has become the fate of the modern Irish (who nearly all live in the USA) to save the
"Lost Tribes" as well as the "Not so Lost Tribes" of Hebrews from their enemies. We did it twice for
the Afghan crowd in a single 10 year period. We have done it several times for the guys in Palestine.
We are getting ready to do it for yet another gorup of "Lost and Not so Lost Tribes" resident in
Yemen, and maybe even in Somalia!

Sorry, I think you are coming from the backside of the moon.

>Now, back to the Phoenicians - they came from the East! They invented our alphabet. The Arabs and Hebrews got it all backwards anyway.

Have a nice day.

64 posted on 04/06/2002 3:16:14 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
Redheds are Neanderthals
65 posted on 04/06/2002 4:01:24 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Yep, I read that article thread earlier. Like so much of that stuff, it disappears shortly after being floated. The author got his 10 minutes of fame.
66 posted on 04/06/2002 4:23:29 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
BUMP
67 posted on 04/06/2002 4:43:49 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: LostTribe
"I studied Ancient Irish History at Trinity College Dublin and don't recognize any reference to CELTS that old."

I'm impressed. I was in Dublin in the early 60's (before they blew the statue downtown). Anyway, maybe you can help me with something that I have been thinking about for a while. I read (somewhere?) that the Leperchauns of Ireland were in fact (one guy speculating) the same people as the African Bushmen (The original Irishmen). I have read a lot about the African Bushmen and they do seem to fill the bill in their mannerisms, physical appearance and etc. The little of Irish history that I did look at did not reveal anything about the Leperchauns/Bushmen. Any insight? Also, who were these Fomorian characters that I kept 'bumping' into during my travels in Irish history? Were they African Blacks? Thanks.

68 posted on 04/06/2002 5:07:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
>I read (somewhere?) that the Leperchauns of Ireland were in fact (one guy speculating) the same people as the African Bushmen (The original Irishmen).

Never head that one, Blam. My guess is they are far closer to the knomes and elves which make up a large part of Norse lore. They are in the bedtime stories which parents tell their Children, both in Norway and America. Go to Bergen and on the docklands see all sort of wooden statues of these Leperchaun type characters.

> I have read a lot about the African Bushmen and they do seem to fill the bill in their mannerisms, physical appearance and etc.

I've seen Bushmen in southern Africa and none of them looked like any Irishman I've seen. {ggg}.

70 posted on 04/06/2002 5:40:48 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
"I've seen Bushmen in southern Africa and none of them looked like any Irishman I've seen. {ggg}."

You've not seen a 'pure' Bushman. The Bushmen you saw were the original Bushmen mixed with the Bantu (black) invaders of the Bushmen territory. The 'pure' Bushmen are Mongoloid and in fact their children have the 'tell-tell' Mongoloid spots. The males have a semi-erect penis (continuously) and the females have a unique skin 'apron' covering the genital area.

My sister married into an Irish family with the name of Moorhead.
Any knowledge of the Fomorians?

71 posted on 04/06/2002 6:23:36 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
>The males have a semi-erect penis (continuously) and the females have a unique skin 'apron' covering the genital area.

I saw this in an exhibit at the museum in Cape Town.

>Any knowledge of the Fomorians?

Sorry, no.

72 posted on 04/06/2002 6:36:31 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: rightofrush
They [Palestinians] can do what the Germans who were in Sudetenland, Pomerania, and Prussia did: Be killed outright, robbed, raped, or try to get out Dodge beforehand. The West Bank and Gaza were, and still should be, and may yet be, conquered territory, with its inhabitants at the mercy or lack thereof, the conquerors.

The Arabs have tried to eliminate on three occassions. They failed. It's way past their turn for the fate they wished for the Israelies. Live with it.

Ain't gonna happen. Israel is not the Soveit Union. Ethnic cleansing is not a feasible alternative for a first-world democracy like Israel, especially since Israel's sugar daddy, the US, would never stand for it. I suggest you stop living in your fantasy world.

Also, have you ever stopped to consider what kind of implications an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians would have for American interests? Do you really want to see Taliban-like regimes in countries like Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, and Kuwait?

73 posted on 04/06/2002 6:42:57 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: MissAmericanPie
It is with the International community that should butt out.

Since Israel is dependent on money from the "International Community," specifically us, the U.S., we get to tell them what to do. $4 billion a year has got to buy something. The U.S. will butt out when Israel stops taking our money.

74 posted on 04/06/2002 6:48:17 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: LostTribe
Fomorians

The dark ones who inhabited Ireland before the Celts. Seeking revenge for being driven out to sea they would attack all who dared set foot upon the isle.

They are noted for being enemies of the Tuatha de Danaan and regular struggles ensued. The battle between good and evil is indeed eternal. Myths and Legends index

Black Irish?

75 posted on 04/06/2002 7:03:05 PM PST by blam
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To: LostTribe
Formorians
76 posted on 04/06/2002 7:15:55 PM PST by blam
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To: oswegodeee
Bump
77 posted on 04/06/2002 7:17:31 PM PST by Rule of Law
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To: blam
>They are noted for being enemies of the Tuatha de Danaan

The Tuatha de Danaan are thought to be from the Tribe of Dan in some Irish Celtic circles. That does fit in with the Proto-Celt theory of Israelites leaving Egypt several hundred years prior to the overland Exodus.

> Myths and Legends --- Black Irish?

I really don't know. Sorry I can't be of any help here. In my Ancient Irish studies at Trinity-Dublin the subject never came up, and since I am not Irish I have never been interested enough to pursue the legend/rumour.

78 posted on 04/06/2002 7:35:56 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: traditionalist
That's rediculous, we give all of them money from Egypt to Palestine and they don't let us tell them what to do. Why is Isreal the only one expected to pony up for the money? Because they are the only half way reasonable human beings over there that are half way grateful that's why.

Go soak your head.

79 posted on 04/06/2002 8:57:06 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: muawiyah
Re: 58

Not quite sure why there could even be an Orthodox Christian, or a Christian of any kind, who came from Saudi, other than as in "I just came back from Saudi - glad to get out". Then, there are the Syrian Orthodox who are permanent residents of Bethlehem. Frankly, I can't imagine how they would even qualify for Israeli citizenship. First of all they don't live there. Second of all they are

Have you ever heard of conversion? Well these people although only a handful, decided on their own to become CHRISTIAN.. Although some have been Christians for many generations.. there have been missionaries who have witnessed to these people over many hundreds of years.. as for being an Israeli Citizen does not require you to be a Jew. As for them not living in Israel? What are you saying? Bethlehem indeed is in Israel.. only it has been given to the Pali's to ruin.. oops I mean Run! slip o' the tongue.. At any rate I am right about what I said in the Post.

80 posted on 04/07/2002 9:20:11 AM PDT by oswegodeee
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