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To: theprogrammer
... I recognize your belief and have no problem with it, yet you seem to be calling me immoral because I don't believe the same as you.

I posted this in a different thread yesterday:

I know of athiests with a well-developed sense of right and wrong. Ayn Rand comes to mind. So do all those Greek philosophers, and legions of "virtuous pagans" from antiquity. Yet, in spite of this evidence, people continue to say that without god there is no morality. But there obviously is. On the other hand, there are allegedly religious people with ghastly morality (Jim Jones is a great example.) Religious folks say "Oh, he's not REALLY religious!" But it seems to me that the existence of morality is quite separate from belief in god.

548 posted on 04/06/2002 8:50:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Religious folks say "Oh, he's not REALLY religious!

The good old No-True-Scotsman fallacy.

552 posted on 04/06/2002 9:09:36 AM PST by BMCDA
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To: PatrickHenry
I know of athiests with a well-developed sense of right and wrong. Ayn Rand comes to mind.

What a joke! What a lousy example! Ayn Rand cuckholded her husband with his closest friends. Her philosophy, like Darwin's shows a brutal disregard for the sick and the weak. No, there is nothing moral in the absolute selfishness that she proposed. Doing what one pleases is not a moral code.

553 posted on 04/06/2002 9:10:47 AM PST by gore3000
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