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To: Junior
No. The only orbit "wildly elliptical" is that of Pluto.

All the orbits are elliptical as radio astronomer's post shows. As to how "wild" they are is pure semantics, sort of like the meaning of 'alone' (in a room, in a building, in a city, in a country, on earth, in the universe). I will not waste my time with such hair-splitting.

531 posted on 04/06/2002 7:39:28 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
You can tell there's no school today. (Unless you're color-blind.)
534 posted on 04/06/2002 7:53:16 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: All
Come, and walk with me in a stroll down memory lane...

(Cue flashback/dream-sequence ripples)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war, already in progress...

539 posted on 04/06/2002 8:15:06 AM PST by Condorman
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To: gore3000; ThinkPlease; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; edwin hubble
All the orbits are elliptical as radio astronomer's post shows.

Ah, but you left out the caveat that RA gave you: even circular orbits are "elliptical" in that they can be characterized as an ellipse of eccentricity = 0.

As to how "wild" they are is pure semantics, sort of like the meaning of 'alone' (in a room, in a building, in a city, in a country, on earth, in the universe). I will not waste my time with such hair-splitting.

Ah, the Clintonian response. It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is..... You're dead wrong, as I'll show momentarily.

Elliptical orbits are characterized by a parameter called the "eccentricity" represented by the letter "e." The value of that paramater ranges from 0 for circular orbits, and approaches 1 at the other extreme, as the orbit approaches parabolic.

Orbits that have small values of "e" (low eccentricity) are rightfully characterized as "nearly circular" as "Junior" stated. Orbits that have very high eccentricity (the value of "e" approaches 1) are highly elliptical and could be characterized as being "wildly" elliptical. Periodic comets typically have highly, or "wildly" elliptical orbits; Halley's is a good example. But no PLANET has an eccentricity remotely close to 1. Hence, it is impossible to correctly use the phrase "wildly elliptical" to describe the the orbit of ANY planet in our solar system.

As has already been pointed out to you, all but two planets have eccentricities of LESS THAN 0.10. These can only be characterized as "slightly eccentric" or "nearly circular" because that is exactly what they are.

The two remaining planets, Mercury and Pluto, have eccentricities that lie in the range between 0.20 and 0.25. Such an orbit vould be characterized as "modestly" or "moderately" elliptical, but NEVER as being "wildly" elliptical. 0.25 is not remotely close to being equal to 1.0 when the value ranges from 0 to 1.

In conclusion, "Junior" was right in that most planets have nearly circular orbits, and the two that aren't are only modestly eccentric, and your characterization of planetary orbits as being "wildly eccentric" is not true for ANY planet. The data provided by "RadioAstronomer" in NO way support your inaccurate characterization of planetary orbits.

If you think otherwise, I DARE you to ping him and see what he says.

556 posted on 04/06/2002 9:56:48 AM PST by longshadow
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To: gore3000; RadioAstronomer
All the orbits are elliptical as radio astronomer's post shows.

Come on; time's a'wasting.

I've already invited you TWICE to ping "RadioAstronomer" to see if he agrees with you that his data supports your ORIGINAL assertion that the planets have "wildly elliptical" orbits, but you've yet to ask him.

Why is that? You aren't a coward, are you? Just ask him.

591 posted on 04/06/2002 2:21:30 PM PST by longshadow
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To: gore3000
Some [sic] of the planets that we think of as nearer to the sun are at times further out than those we consider farther from the sun.

Only one planet passes within the orbit of another -- Pluto (which passes within Neptune's orbit). The other planet's orbits are nowhere near as eliptical as Pluto's, and are very nearly circular. You can never, ever, admit when you are wrong, can you?

889 posted on 04/07/2002 6:34:49 PM PDT by Junior
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