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Evolution: What is it? (long article)
Information Central ^ | Craig McClarren

Posted on 04/04/2002 10:05:32 AM PST by Heartlander

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To: donh
Those who like to mull such things over, now generally subscribe to hot, weakly cohesive pre-cellular RNA communities, organized around energy-capturing enzymatic cycles (such as the citric cycle you digest your food with) gradually getting fixed into cellularity as the available energy became less available as the earth's mean temperature decreased. I can give you pointers, I think, if you are interested.

Oh, I definitely want to hear this story. I want to hear how totally inert matter arranged itself into living matter. Not even Darwin dared to tell such a tall story!

141 posted on 04/04/2002 5:16:38 PM PST by gore3000
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I say again, the evolutionists are looking at the wrong end of the "lineup" or whatever you want to call it of hominid and human types. The problem is at the near end and not the far end.

Recent studies of neanderthal DNA turned up the result that neanderthal DNA is "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee", and that there is no way we could interbreed with them or be descended from them via any process resembling evolution. That says that anybody wishing to believe that modern man evolved has to come up with some closer hominid, i.e. a plausible ancestor for modern man, and that the closer hominid would stand closer to us in both time and morphology than the neanderthal, and that his works and remains should be very easy to find, since neanderthal remains and works are all over the map. Of course, no such closer hominid exists; all other hominids are much further from us than the neanderthal.

An evolutionist could try to claim that we and the neanderthal both are descended from some more remote ancestor 200,000 years ago, but that would be like claiming that dogs couldn't be descended from wolves, and must therefore be descended from fish, i.e. the claim would be idiotic.

That leaves three possibilities: modern man was created from scratch very recently, was genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal, or was imported from elsewhere in the cosmos.

There is no rational way to believe that modern man evolved here on Earth. Only a wilfully ignorant person could believe that.

142 posted on 04/04/2002 5:18:50 PM PST by medved
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To: gore3000
Oh, I definitely want to hear this story...

Like fairytales? The best fairytales in the world are Pushkins. Of course, you gotta learn to speak Russian first, but that's fairly easy compared to producing a believable defense of evolutionism...

143 posted on 04/04/2002 5:22:57 PM PST by medved
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To: gore3000

Some useful references:

Major Scientific Problems with Evolution

Evol-U-Sham dot Com

Many Experts Quoted on FUBAR State of Evolution

The All-Time, Ultimate Evolution Quote

"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all came from slime. When we died, you know , that was it, there is nothing..."

Jeffrey Dahmer, noted Evolutionist

Social Darwinism, Naziism, Communism, Darwinism Roots etc.

Creation and Intelligent Design Links

Catastrophism

Finding Cities in all the Wrong Places

Given standard theories wrt the history of our solar system and our own planet, nobody should be finding cities and villages on Mars, 2100 feet beneath the waves off Cuba, or buried under two miles of Antarctic ice.

Intelligent Versions of Biogenesis etc.

Talk.origins/Sci.Bio.Evolution Realities


144 posted on 04/04/2002 5:25:34 PM PST by medved
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To: Heartlander
abiogenesis?

Great article, really socks it to the dust loving atheists! Of course to them, rhetoric and fantasy is more valid than science.

145 posted on 04/04/2002 5:25:39 PM PST by gore3000
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To: donh
God does play dice with the universe.

If you admit to God's existence, why do you need to contrive such fantastic solutions to the question of the origin of life? Or are you just taking pot-shots at religion?

146 posted on 04/04/2002 5:28:57 PM PST by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Interesting list of threads. They all are attacks on opponents, but none is an attempt at giving positive proof of evolution. Wonder why? Perhaps evolution is just rhetoric?
147 posted on 04/04/2002 5:31:35 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"God does play dice with the universe. "

No, except in very exceptional cases such a thing does not happen. However, the question is a good one which evolutionists cannot answer. If evolution occurs due to the pressure put upon species to survive, then how come so many lower species, which supposedly were the step ladders of evolution, are still around? If entire species supposedly move up the evolutionary ladder and those who do not adapt die (let's remember what selection is - a destructive force that kills off those who do not adapt) then how come there are so many survivors from those who refused to adapt?

148 posted on 04/04/2002 5:37:38 PM PST by gore3000
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To: donh
it just recapitulates the "windstorm can't build a 707" argument.

No it does not say that abiogenesis is impossible because the wind cannot build a 707. It shows exactly how hard it is for even the simplest living thing to to have arisen. It shows that abiogenesis is scientifically impossible. It shows what real science has found about how hard it is to create the simplest living thing - a small, a very small, self sufficient, reproducing bacterium.

You cannot even give a specific way in which such a combination could ever have occurred, you ignore that such a thing never has been seen to occur. What that article explains, is the science of life as observed by real scientists.

149 posted on 04/04/2002 5:44:34 PM PST by gore3000
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To: JediGirl
bump for later
150 posted on 04/04/2002 5:53:16 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: donh
There is no common sense involved in making up a story about how things happened,

The "story" told in that article is what science knows about life. It is you who cannot even tell the story of how such an unlikely thing could have occurred. You cannot even fantasize the steps that would lead to the creation of life and you say that the non-atheists are the ones making up stories????????

151 posted on 04/04/2002 5:55:23 PM PST by gore3000
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To: f.Christian
Peaple are manipulated---morphed by mad men---ideas---ideologies

is that how you would explain the Crusades/----\blame it on Christianity?

152 posted on 04/04/2002 5:56:12 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: All
Those who find medved's links useful will also be delighted with these:

The Earth is Not Moving!.
Earth Orbits? Moon Landings? A Fraud! .
Flat Earth Society Homepage! .
Christian Answers Network.
Creationists' Cartoons .
Institute for Creation Research.
The Current State of Creation Astronomy.
Answers In Genesis .

153 posted on 04/04/2002 5:56:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: ThinkDifferent
There is no common sense involved in making up a story about how things happened,

Okay, the genetic code of the smallest bacteria has more 'letters' than a Shakespeare play. How long do you figure it would take a monkey to type Hamlet?

154 posted on 04/04/2002 6:01:17 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
But evolution denies God as a caretaker, it denies that God has anything to do with how living things, and especially man, his greatest creation came about. So how can you reconcile evolution with the idea of a benevolent caretaker?

No, you say that evolution excludes God. Evolution says nothing about God and has nothing to do with a creator. It neither includes nor excludes.

155 posted on 04/04/2002 6:01:38 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: PatrickHenry
Those who find medved's links useful will also be delighted with these:

ROFL!

He also needs to add this one:

Pole Shift

156 posted on 04/04/2002 6:02:25 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: gore3000
But evolution denies God as a caretaker, it denies that God has anything to do with how living things, and especially man, his greatest creation came about. So how can you reconcile evolution with the idea of a benevolent caretaker?

Well, according to the Roman Catholic Church evolution, with God working the puppet strings, is A-OK.

Pope John Paul II - October 23, 1996

Evolution and a belief in God are not mutally exclusive. I prefer to believe that God does not play tricks on us and that the Universe is around 15 billion years old. I believe that God created our solar system roughly 4.5 billion years ago. I believe God created all forms of animals that existed and died off long before man walked the earth. And I believe God molded us in the form he wanted and in the timeframe he wanted.

BTW, after Cain killed Able and was expelled to the land of Nod, where did his wife come from in Genesis 4:17? There was no mention of her nor her peoples creation in the bible? Hmmm, something doesn't seem 100% kosher with that. But the Bible can't be a little sketchy or lack information from 4,000 plus years ago can it?

157 posted on 04/04/2002 6:03:51 PM PST by SengirV
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To: BMCDA
As far as I can tell all that is necessary for evolution to take place are imperfect self-replicators in a restrictive environment.

Yep, that's about it.
158 posted on 04/04/2002 6:10:34 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Terriergal
I'm still wondering how life can come from non life... of course, it MUST have happened because of course there can't be a God.

I thought that this was a discussion regarding evolution. As such, the issue of the existence of any gods is not relevant.
159 posted on 04/04/2002 6:12:30 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: RadioAstronomer
He also needs to add this one: Pole Shift

Yes, and I forget this favorite: TIME CUBE .

160 posted on 04/04/2002 6:12:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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