Posted on 04/03/2002 10:49:38 AM PST by Antoninus
Personally, I think that the laity should have some input on the suitability of candidates to the priesthood that will eventually serve them, just as they're supposed to have some say over the candidates for marriage (the purpose of posting the marriage bans, no?). But this presumes a much more active participation in parish life than I, for one, am accustomed to.But does the Church have no right to eliminate the wolves that have infiltrated the flock?Yes. But it must not done by people like myself or you or Sinkspur, the Boston Glod and the like. It must be done by those to whom God has entrusted the care of the Church i.e. the bishops with the Holy Father.
WE are the Church, Renatus. This "pray, pay, and obey" mentality that you seem to have is not the norm in most Catholic parishes, nor should it be.
. I repeat, should the bishops fail let God handled it.
You're not this naive, are you? We should let the men who are responsible for the mess clean up the mess without some involvement from those on whom the predators they've covered up for have preyed?
Not on your life!
We've let God "handle it" up to this point, and look where we are. God works through men, and not just ordained or consecrated men. He works through the men who pay the bills and sit in the pews and clean the Church.
We're going to have to insist that priests and bishops are accountable, and not just to themselves, or we'll have district attorneys interviewing candidates for the priesthood.
I still don't want women priests. Can you imagine going to someone like Dr. Laura for confession? ;-).
I think the church has already caved in to women and has welcomed them as window dressing so they can say to the world, "See, we like women and want to work with them." What I have seen is that many, many of these women are on ego trips and power hungry. Some are compensated with salaries and others must serve for nothing. They will never be satisfied and the competition between them is already out of the ball park to get recognition and prized parish positions.
The dichotomy between what I feel about womens' status and being allowed in the priesthood really doesn't square very well. It's a visceral thing with me, I guess. You want to go to a man for confession but you want to go to a woman for intimate personal issues.
As to altar servers, maybe they should have limited that to adults. It appears the reason boy altar servers were instituted was solely to groom young boys to want to become priests. I don't believe young boys serve in the Orthodox church. Which is neither here nor there but it seems to be a tradition, small t, that has developed in the west.
Can't you hear the media frenzy if they start culling out homosexuals?!?!
Many of them, and women, too, just want to be friends. Even that gets to be a problem because of gossip and appearances. The church does need strong masculine leadership; however, at the same time I don't like to think about going back to being so hard on people like they used to be.
I think Catholics would GLADLY give more. Catholics are the biggest skinflints in all of organized religion; I haven't heard a sermon on proper stewardship in ten years.
If Catholics came to expect "the cream of the crop" when it came to priests who serve them, perhaps they wouldn't expect them to live in poverty.
I think this makes the best fit with Sacred Tradition.
Look, if the church can get enough worthy men to be celibate, that would be the best solution. It appears they cannot at this period in history. In such a case you would think everyone would prefer the lesser of the evils.
I think church leaders shouldn't get smug about thinking that everything they do is pleasing to God. Maybe he sees things differently. Sometimes I wonder what He really thinks about the church, its organization, rules, structure, treasures.
Sometimes I also wonder if the real Virgin Mary wants all those expensive crowns and jewels.
That was in NYC. Today, living in Southern California, I have not come across such personalities. Maybe some day, we can say the same for the sexual abusers of both men and women - that they are no longer here.
But that's just the problem....it will not be rooted out. They have not the stomach for the fight that would ensue. I can hear it now: Why if it's OK to have openly homosexual scout leaders, why not priests?
Neither the Pope nor the Cardinals nor the Bishops have offered any evidience that they are serious about eliminating this cancer from the priesthood. They are allowing the institution to sink deeper and deeper into the cesspool and have not dared to even identify it for what it is, instead choosing to hide behind that false lable of pedophilia.
Rather than root it out, they ask for ever more money (some of which will go to pay reparations if not hush money--even while it is still on-going!) and for forgiveness for those aflicted under the guise that this is a sickness and not a perversion. Just let them try to claim that homosexuality is a sickness. Then you would see the mainstream press come alive, and not just to gloat.
Practicing Catholics are left with only one way to protest, to let their deep dissatisfaction with the leadership's failure be felt: stop giving. This is the only thing the Church understands. Nothing else will work.
Some of them are really mean. Maybe they can retire them after they clean up the present mess ;-).
Most of them are really nice to people. Sometimes they are almost too nice.
The mean ones really do a lot of damage to souls, I think. I know mine is scarred from just that.
It's inevitable that personalities come into play, especially concerning confession.
I'm glad that your experience in LA has been warmer. Maybe it's the weather ;-).
Yes. I'm naive enough to believe that God can handle the problem.
And he will do that exactly how?
I'm not sure I understand you. Not to overdo sex within a marriage, perhaps, but certainly not to avoid it. Maybe it's just a semantic thing on the meaning of chaste. I've always taken it to connote abstention.
You chose to answer only ONE of my arguments...what about the others.
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