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To: Phantom Lord
Rapid warming of the last 30 years? I got news for ya, a great majority of the warming in the 20th century occured PRIOR to 1950. In fact, a small amount of cooling has occured in the last 20 years.

You're right about the warming, but I don't see where you get the cooling.

46 posted on 04/03/2002 11:35:31 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Dr. James Hansen is the NASA guy whose name I couldnt remember.

And as far as "Warmest on Record" goes, when we have records from different agencies and on different matters dating back 150 years out of 4 Billion, the "warmest on record" is for all intents and purposes worthless.

Hansen has also now declared before the scientific community in a prestigious journal of the National Academy of Sciences that predicting global temperature with climate models is all but impossible (James E. Hansen, Makiko Sato, et al., "Climate Forcings in the Industrial era," Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, vol. 95, pp. 12753-12758, October 1998.)

And the cooling of the last 30 or so years has been measured by satelitte. Ground measures show a slight warming and satelitte show a slight cooling. Which to believe?

And to be clear, i am operating under the guideline that I do NOT believe that humans, especially Americans, are causing the earth to warm. Which is the premise and theory that the envirowacko left is operating under.

50 posted on 04/03/2002 11:46:23 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: cogitator
This has a built in bias. At the beginning of the period, a much smaller percentage of the recording stations were in urban areas than at the end of the period. This due to urban expansion and subsequent expansions of the urban "heat islands". Add to that the increasing ubiquetousness of electrical sources of heat (devices, devices everywhere!... and the power to run them!) for the kicker. Using air measurements is a flawed method unless one can figure out a way to correct for the bias. Good luck!...
87 posted on 04/03/2002 2:46:20 PM PST by GOP_1900AD
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