To: ElkGroveDan
Typical liberal environmental science. It is all anecdotal with no firm statistical analysis.The Nature article (not the summary article I posted) does have statistical analysis, and cites 97 references that were consulted to write the paper. Furthermore, the early occurrence of spring has been statistically confirmed by Magnuson et al. (spring thaw and autumn freeze data for Northern Hemisphere bodies of water), and by Robeson using temperature data in Illinois (cited in the World Climate Report, Volume 7, No. 14). John Daly's Still Waiting for Greenhouse site has a feature about the Nenana Ice Classic (also written up in this month's issue of Discover magazine) that cites a similar trend. So what the Nature report describes is supported by actual data.
To: cogitator
Here in California, we are having, for the first time in about 6 years, a spring where it actually has been warm a little bit. We were certainly off to a cold start of spring with snow down to low elevations (~1000 feet) in mid March. Last year, we had snow down to near sea level (a rare occurence in any month) in April, as we did the year before. In 1998, we had snow at sea level for several hours on the last day of fall, something you can count on about once every 50 years. In contrast, during the late 70s and much of the 1980s, we had mild winters and warm to hot springs. I remember during the 1980s warm spell in particular, the green wackos were all saying "the warming has begun!" Now they are shivering!
To: cogitator
John Daly's Still Waiting for Greenhouse site has a feature about the Nenana Ice Classic (also written up in this month's issue of Discover magazine) that cites a similar trend. John Daly cites the Nenana Ice Classic as an example of how Global Warmers lie. Did you read the article, or are you like the typical Gorebull Liar who only accepts what supports their outrageous theory. Here's a graph from the "cite" that shows the "similar trend":
As usual, when ALL the data is shown, it shows what outright absolute LIARS Global Warmers are.
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