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To: LeGrande
Let me see if I have this right. Global warming can cause the worlds oceans to rise or fall or stay the same? (The article and graph was very interesting, thanks.)

I have heard it also claimed that global warming can cause wild swings in weather patterns (both hot and cold) or moderate the weather patterns or keep them the same.

So is there anything that can definitively prove global warming or cooling? It seems to me that even a downturn in all the measured temperatures for a few years could could be explained away as a temporary aberration. I am a professional gambler (day trader) and I look for trends and aberrations all the time and all the data that I have seen looks just like random noise. Furthermore It seems that all the data is well within a normalized range and that trying to predict it is foolish.

It would be nice if Mankind were actually changing the climate because that means that we can eventually optimize it for our benefit. :)

I had a trap set for you that you deftly walked away from :)

129 posted on 04/04/2002 12:35:38 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
Let me see if I have this right. Global warming can cause the worlds oceans to rise or fall or stay the same? (The article and graph was very interesting, thanks.)

You're welcome, and you're right (short-term). Taking the long-term view of 1000s and 10,000s of years, global warming will cause sea level to rise.

I have heard it also claimed that global warming can cause wild swings in weather patterns (both hot and cold) or moderate the weather patterns or keep them the same.

I've read similar.

So is there anything that can definitively prove global warming or cooling? It seems to me that even a downturn in all the measured temperatures for a few years could could be explained away as a temporary aberration. I am a professional gambler (day trader) and I look for trends and aberrations all the time and all the data that I have seen looks just like random noise. Furthermore It seems that all the data is well within a normalized range and that trying to predict it is foolish.

One of the nicest "proofs" is stratospheric cooling, which is observed by satellites. The stratosphere warms and cools radiatively. It cools via radiation to space; it warms by receiving longwave radiation from the Earth's surface. If an increasing amount of longwave radiation is being trapped near the Earth's surface by greenhouse gases, the stratosphere should cool. And that is exactly what the satellite data shows (and these are the same satellites that provide a different dataset that is constantly cited as indicating that no significant warming is taking place).

Another example is the freeze/thaw data that is showing trends toward earlier spring and later winter freeze, i.e. shorter winters.

It would be nice if Mankind were actually changing the climate because that means that we can eventually optimize it for our benefit. :)

What is it they say about absolute power?

I had a trap set for you that you deftly walked away from :)

Inadvertently, I assure you.

134 posted on 04/04/2002 2:36:11 PM PST by cogitator
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