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To: lentulusgracchus
They're totally committed to the Rushmore vision of Lincoln.

No, the 'Real Lincoln' was much more interesting and complex than the Rushmore version. But the Rushmore Lincoln is several light years closer to reality that this crap comming from that grubby little propagandist DiLorenzo.

How many outright factual errors and intentional distortions will you need pointed out to you before you accept the fact that DiLorenzo is a fraud pushing an agenda?

180 posted on 04/04/2002 7:58:56 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
How many outright factual errors and intentional distortions will you need pointed out to you before you accept the fact that DiLorenzo is a fraud pushing an agenda?

Actually, I haven't addressed DiLorenzo's factuality in this thread, and going further I don't recall ever having addressed his factuality anywhere. I addressed the issue of West Virginia directly, and here and elsewhere I've taken up some of the same issues he ventilates, but please correct me if I've spoken directly to Lorenzo, because I don't believe I have.

I have no idea, for example, whether the admission of Nevada to the Union was irregular as he says.

I had had the impression, corrected by a post above, that Kansas was admitted while the Civil War was in progress. If correct, the date posted above shows that Kansas was admitted after the Southern senators had left, but before hostilities commenced. And as to its irregularity, the fact that the South was out is not material: the Constitution allows Congress to proceed with a bare majority in attendance as a Quorum, which they may have had once Kansas was admitted (which is possibly the point of admitting another State so quickly, hmm?).

We've exhausted the West Virginia issue, and I don't intend to address DiLorenzo's new book, other than to say I don't think the Pol Pot analogy (if it's right -- I've only seen posts discussing it, I haven't seen a quote or a cite), if DiLorenzo offered one, is appropriate. If Lincoln broke down the Constitution, broke down the rights of former citizens by violence to take them captive, nevertheless I would never confound him with such scum of the earth as Pol Pot.

The problem of Lincoln, as I see it, is that if you start shooting fellow-citizens for good reasons, then eventually someone comes along who doesn't mind shooting them for bad ones -- and pointing to you as the exemplar.

183 posted on 04/04/2002 8:12:24 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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