A Simple, Easy Way to Protest Our Tax Code

3/31/2002 | DennisR

[ancient_geezer]

The employers do government work without just compensation.

HR2525 provides compensation to both the retailers who collect and remitt the NRST, and the States who administer and enforce the tax.

refer -->>H.R.2525
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 07/17/2001)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
See also: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org

[MadRobotArtist]

Here goes Dennis,

I am a small business owner. I pay taxes. The amount of taxes I pay is pretty substantial compared to what I take in. Now, if I were a corporation paying the same taxes as a small business, you would find the average tax payer's burden to be less due to the fact that more revenue is generated. Regardless of what you might think, If everyone, and that includes Corporations were taxes evenly and fairly, you would find a heck of a lot more growth in the private sector. The reason being, is that corporations can take the hit at tax time. Sometimes the little guy can't.

Now this tax I'm talking about, that's EVERYONE who has a regular job, or a business pays a 10% flat tax, after your primary deductions. Don't tell me about taxes keep business from expanding, and nonsense, I have to pay! My company will expand this year, guaranteed.

[ancient_geezer]

You are a link machine...

Hey that's what search engines are for aren't they?

The trick is in figuring out whatto put in them dang'd search fields, as well as that little super-secret flip of the wrist that gives em abit of english to the right :O)

[DennisR]

Wow, people, I drove out to my Dad's (about 30 miles) for dinner, and I come back and you're still at it! Way to go. That's dedication.

"There is a plan that eliminates ALL taxes on ANY income, deufnds the IRS, destroys existing income tax records, and erases the entire income tax code. It's HR 2525."

If I'm wrong, everyone can remind me about it later, but this probably has no chance whatsoever of passing. After all, this would require that people voting on its passage lose their jobs, plus many of the jobs of their constituents back home. And therein lies the problems.

We have talked about FTs, VATs, and NSTs. There are good and bad arguments for any or all of these. But the main thing that needs to be done is to limit the amount of money the government can spend. That in itself is a worthy goal, because it makes money collected by government a commodity--there will only be so much of it to go around, thereby increasing its inherent value. Right now, all government does when they need more money is to either borrow it or raise our taxes. And not necessarily in that order. Probably any one of the three tax types would limit the amount of money government has to spend. And once it happens at the national level, we can start working on the state, county, and city levels. My goal is to ensure that no citizen of the US pays any more than 20% of their income in taxes. Period. But is has to be grassroots, because it will not happen if we leave it up to our elected officials. We have to use every means we can to keep up a somewhat-painful reminder that "We, the people" want this reform to happen. Sending in tax booklets and newspaper sections with a message written on it will be as annoying as a rock in your shoe--you have to deal with it eventually.

So send that stuff to your senior Senator!

[Principled]

After all, this (passage of HR 2525 NRST) would require that people voting on its passage lose their jobs, plus many of the jobs of their constituents back home

What indicates this? I don't have any idea why you would think this....

[DennisR]

Okay, I give in. I concede that having a business pay a 10% tax (on profits only) would be acceptable.You are right--the small businessman/-woman really gets hit hard because they do not have the corporate lawyers/lobbyists to keep the government from wacking them hard. They basically take all the risk, which is usually substantial, and end up getting wacked whether they succeed or whether they fail. It just ain't right.

[DennisR]

Maybe I misunderstood. If there were no taxes, how would Congress get paid?

[The_Expatriate]

Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check those links out, AG.

[Fred Mertz]

I always file after April 15.

Buck, I can't believe you actually file. You are such a sheeple. Sheesh.

[DennisR]

"Remember, he is working in the background."

This is comforting and encouraging.

[DennisR]

Sorry, I did not carefully read what you had stated; that is, that an NST would be implemented.

[ancient_geezer]

After all, this would require that people voting on its passage lose their jobs,

The trick is to let them know their cushy jobs depend on enacting the laws we want.

That upper 40% of the taxpayers also bankrolls them Congress Critter's campaigns as well as having more at stake and more to gain than the 70% of the voting public clamoring for more from government looking for the top 40% of taxpayers to foot the bill.

I find most people I talk to and educate about the NRST even those in the 70% of that poll above readily see an advantage to themselves in passing Linders HR2525 or Tausin's HR2717. The key is learning the facts for youself, and educating collegues and neighbors about the NRST.

Key points:

Current Individual Taxform(MacNalley editorial images):

Flat Tax Taxform(Heritage Foundation):

NRST individual Taxform:

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[BlackbirdSST]

That is a battle that will have to be fought every year. They are killing us with incremental taxation. So we can only get it back incrementally. But it is the right thing to do.

You are setting yourself up for defeat. What reason would you put forth to explain why bitching about it year after year, decade after decade, that it hasn't made any difference. Incrementalism is crap, it can be changed overnight.

And the idea would be that it could NEVER exceed 10%. I guess you believe they will never raise the rate? They never promised the current taxation would never exceed 6%, did they? Give unto Ceasar.... Blackbird.

[Principled]

If there were no taxes, how would Congress get paid?

Taxes revenue will come from a source other than income, payroll, etc taxes - namely a national retail sales tax.

We're not talking about eliminating taxes, just changing how they're collected.

[DennisR]

It would probably have to be a constitutional amendment that it could never exceed 10%. In fact, that it could not even be less than 10%.

[jadimov]

I like the tax forms but you should replace the last one with a sales receipt. One with the tax amount in BIG LETTERS.

[jadimov]

...My goal is to ensure that no citizen of the US pays any more than 20% of their income in taxes...

I think you may have an unreachable goal. We may be able to limit the feds to 10%. There are still state, county, city, and school taxes to contend with.

[DennisR]

You may be right, but we have to try. My idea at the State level, for instance, is to not allow them to take any more than about 4% of anyone's income. This may have to be an AVERAGE of the total cumulative annual income of the residents, but the important thing is that it limits how much government can spend. This would then spread to the county and city levels.

[DennisR]

Good idea. In fact, I am going to write the amount of tax I have to pay in big red letters on the tax booklet I send in. Maybe that will help get Sen. Murray's attention.

[jadimov]

...My idea at the State level, for instance, is to not allow them to take any more than about 4%...

I wouldn't mind the state getting 10% too. It could piggy back on the fed sales tax. Giving the state 10% would put it on an equal footing with the feds. That was the intention of the Founders. The states will need to take care of the tasks the overfunded feds have unconstitutionally usurped.

I would even be willing to give the county 10% if they would give up all other taxes.

Imagine no more excise taxes or property taxes. Only a sales tax at the register.

I wouldn't give one red cent to the cities. I don't like cities in their current form. I believe they are a cancer on the American way of life. They breed almost all the things I dislike about this country. Welfare. HUD. Crime. Congestion. Smog. Etc. Etc. Etc. Many of societies ills. I know we would still have all of these without cities but they wouldn't be nearly as bad. Just take away the tax ower of cities and they will die. Counties will take their place.

Anyway. That's my vision. A place where the only tax is a sales tax: 10 for the feds, 10 for the state, 10 for the county and an import tax. That's all folks.