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Illegal Aliens Are Coming To A Neighborhood Near You At 500 MPH.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000020609mar21.story ^ | 3/21/01

Posted on 03/31/2002 10:41:43 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf

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To: janetgreen
She says that Ohio is now full of illegals too, and believes that they are voting

We too have friends in the Cincinnati area and they tell us the same. Its a very sad thing. I only hope that some day something will be done about it. At this point, with our current leadership, I am not confident.

81 posted on 03/31/2002 9:43:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: WRhine
Those in power are THE PROBLEM and thus beyond redemption

And that is exactly correct!

82 posted on 03/31/2002 9:46:04 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
What most people miss about immigration is that unlike other issues in the political realm such as taxes, CFR, spending outlays etc., mistakes in immigration policy are permanent and cannot be reversed at a future point in time. This unique attribute sets immigration apart from just about every other issue.

So I find it absolutely amazing given all the turmoil in the world with different ethnic groups at each other's throat that our government would continue to pursue such reckless immigration here at home. I’d like to think that perhaps our leaders are not very observant which could give hope for change but I suspect, on balance, their reasons for keeping the immigration "free for all" going in America are sinister and selfish in nature. 9/11? That’s an old story.

83 posted on 03/31/2002 10:27:45 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Its truly frightening to consider the REAL numbers.........
84 posted on 03/31/2002 11:07:32 PM PST by brat
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To: MadRobotArtist
Our government is run by corporations. It wants cheap, under the table labor. The old bromide, "They take the jobs that Americans won't do" is a crock! They are displacing American workers at record levels in all fields.
85 posted on 03/31/2002 11:22:04 PM PST by brat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Sometimes I think its to late and is beyond saving. Our biggest problem seems to be our very own government, indeed. Isn't it ironic? The very government that is in charge of protecting our freedom and sovereignty are causing this disastours nightmare.

For the last few years, I've been requesting a refund of all state and federal taxes I've paid on the grounds that the state and federal governments have not been doing their jobs. And I considered it "taxation without representation" because is it truly "representation" if the government ignores "unconstitutional" behaviour by it agencies and employees?

86 posted on 03/31/2002 11:59:56 PM PST by Victoria_R
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To: brat
Let me get this right. You just moved from an area with 8% hispanics because they were taking all the jobs and keeping the economy depressed.

Where did you go? To an area that has three times that percentage of hispanics and is booming.

Looks to me like we need more hispanics.

87 posted on 04/01/2002 12:13:02 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: FITZ
I think Homeland Security amounts to nothing more than strip searching or frisking Americans at airports.

I consider them the American version of the KGB.

Tuor

88 posted on 04/01/2002 12:20:28 AM PST by Tuor
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To: LS; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; janetgreen; antidemocommie; Tancredo Fan; brownie74;glc1173@aol.com...
#51: "Wow! And did you know that many of the ex-Confederates who were given amnesty by the Union government ended up being rapists and murderers..."

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Wow (back)! and thanks for this "information."

I agree,,,the "Union government" should have tossed these "ex-Confederates" back to their own damn country.(g)

But you mind wonders....

Let's discuss the threat to our nation (both the North and South) that illegal immigrants/terrorists pose today.

Chew on this:

Information is culled from newspaper articles, the INS and Census Bureau figures:

— In October and November 2001, 7,000 visas were issued to men from countries in which Al Qaeda is known to be active.

— Approximately 115,000 people from Middle Eastern countries live in the United States illegally.

— Saudi Arabians wishing to travel to the United States typically are not interviewed by the State Department. They can obtain visas through travel agents or "drop boxes" near the U.S. consulate offices in their country. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia.

— Each of the 19 hijackers had Social Security numbers, which they obtained legally.

— At any given moment there are approximately 350,000 people who have become illegal immigrants by overstaying their visas.

— INS estimates that 300,000 people who have been ordered deported are still in the country because their deportation orders have not yet been enforced. In many cases, after being ordered deported by a judge, the immigrant simply walks out of the courtroom.

— Between 6 million and 8 million people living in America are dual-citizens.

— Prior to 1965, the average annual number of immigrants and refugees to the United States was about 200,000 people. Since 1990, this number is about 1 million people per year, not including illegal immigrants.

— The INS has a processing backlog of approximately 4.5 million immigration applications.

— The General Accounting Office found that the INS wastes around $100 million per year by not efficiently managing the deportation of criminal immigrants.

— The Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General did not find any evidence that the INS is capable of locating visa violators still in the country.

— Two weeks after Sept. 11, former INS Commissioner under President Clinton Doris Meissner said at a Carnegie Endowment for International Peace forum that tracking down people who overstay their visas has been "a very, very low priority, and I think it should be a low priority."

— Bush administration commissioner James Ziglar was confirmed for the job in August right before the attack. His only law enforcement experience is serving as the Sergeant-at-Arms for the Senate.

89 posted on 04/01/2002 2:34:18 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: brat
Oh I agree. WHy is it that I must speak Spanglish when I order a meal from McDonald's. I mean, it's bad enough that I have to put up with them getting welfare, and living like rats in a hole, but I also have to be subject to their unwillingness to become Americans, by having to try and understand their gibberish. I speak English, German and Russian, and now I have to learn Spanish? Of course how hard could it be if Mexicans speak it right? This is the biggest irritation about our so called government. They are ripe with double standards. Two sets of laws, two sets of agendas, and no consistency unless we're talking about taxing the little guy. That is the only consistency there is, You're Going To Pay, one way or another.

I could puke. I'd write a letter to the President of the United States, but in all honesty, I KNOW he and the rest of the people on Capital Hill Could Care Less.

90 posted on 04/01/2002 2:34:58 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: Jethro Tull
Good post. You have been doing your homework.

I wish I would have taped Doris Meissner when she was on 60 minutes and said that tracking down people who overstay their visas has been "a very, very low priority, and I think it should be a low priority." What a classic.

Thats like having your police chief tell you that tracing down murderers, rapist, bankrobbers, and other no-good-niks is a low priority. Your government at work!!

91 posted on 04/01/2002 2:55:51 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: MadRobotArtist
I'd write a letter to the President of the United States, but in all honesty, I KNOW he and the rest of the people on Capital Hill Could Care Less.

Your right about them caring less. But I write them anyway just to bug them and let them know that I am out here and that I'm mad and that they can't take my vote for granted anymore.

I am not going to let them throw me over the side in favor of some Hispanic vote. I can play that game also. I'll vote 3rd party or just not vote at all unless they change this insane immigration policy. I could care less if the Pubbies crash and burn in 2004. So be it!!

92 posted on 04/01/2002 3:08:36 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74
#91: Here another "Meissner mess." (And the R's think this illegal alien flood America is experiencing is actually a good thing for America. They sicken me,,,)

Gore's `Willie Horton'?

Date: 08-23-2000; Publication: The Washington Times;

Author: Cal Thomas

A new book by the chief investigative counsel for the House Judiciary Committee charges that Vice President Al Gore, in collusion with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), "reinvented government" to allow 1 million immigrants to become citizens in 1996, believing they would express their gratitude by voting for Clinton-Gore. Many had criminal records that normally would bar them from citizenship. Furthermore, writes David P. Schippers in "Sell Out" (Regnery Publishing, Inc.), 20 percent of these new citizens committed crimes after they became Americans.

Mr. Schippers, a registered Democrat, writes, "We received from the GAO [General Accounting Office] a few e-mails indicating Vice President Gore's role in the plan (which are included in Appendix A at the back of this book). He was responsible for keeping the pressure on, to make sure the aliens were pushed through by Sept. 1, the last day to register for the presidential election."

Mr. Schippers alleges that the immigration scheme evolved from a meeting between West Coast Latino leaders and former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros. He writes that the Latinos wanted to speed up the immigration process. The White House, says Mr. Schippers, quickly saw the political potential: "Documents show that President Clinton asked Doug Farbrother of the National Performance Review [NPR] staff to look into removing barriers to citizenship not only in Los Angeles, but also in San Francisco, Chicago, New York and Miami - major cities in four swing states. In a memo to the president, Farbrother noted [INS] Commissioner [Doris] Meissner's concern and suggested two options. Farbrother stated that `we can reduce - but not eliminate - the risk of controversy over our motives by appointing one of our proven NPR reinventors as deputy INS commissioner. . . . As part of the official INS management team, our reinventor would have more direct influence and the INS staff would be less likely to go public with complaints than they would over the interference of an outsider.' The memo observed that `reinventors' should be put in many other agencies, as well, to replace leaders who `don't get it.'"

The second option - to allow the INS to do the best it could and hope for success - was never seriously considered, writes Mr. Schippers. He quotes Mr. Farbrother recommending the first option to President Clinton because, " `to get anywhere near a million applicants naturalized' by summer's end, the administration would have `to force some serious "reinvention" on INS.' "

Mr. Schippers quotes a March 21 e-mail from Gore aide Elaine Karmack to Mr. Farbrother, apparently prompted by reports of delays in carrying out the risky immigrant voter scheme: " `The president is sick of this and wants action. If nothing moves today we'll have to take some pretty drastic measures.' Farbrother responded, `I favor drastic measures.' If he [Farbrother] couldn't get what he wanted from INS, he wrote,he would `call for heavy artillery.'

"In a March 26 e-mail to the vice president," writes Mr. Schippers, "Farbrother reported that [Deputy INS Commissioner] Chris Sale had indeed `delegated hiring authority to the five cities and increased their budgets 20 percent.' But, he [Farbrother] wrote, `I still don' t think the city directors have enough freedom to do the job.' Two days later, Farbrother told the vice president by e-mail, `Unless we blast INS headquarters loose from their grip on the frontline managers, we are going to have too many people still waiting for citizenship in November.' He added, `I can't make Doris Meissner delegate broad authority to her field managers. Can you?' Gore answered, `We'll explore it. Thanks.' By the end of March, Doris Meissner capitulated."

No wonder the White House resisted investigators' requests for copies of its e-mails.

Mr. Schippers tells me the FBI did its job by reporting the criminal records of many of the fast-tracked immigrants, but he adds the evidence he has seen shows this information was ignored for the sake of creating new voters for Clinton-Gore. As a result, thousands of criminals are now citizens of the United States.

An investigation by the inspector general's office at the Justice Department, while mostly a whitewash of the immigration scheme, cryptically concluded a few weeks ago that the motives of the White House were "mixed."

Jim Kennedy, a spokesman for the Gore campaign, called to inform me that "Schippers' publishing deadline apparently came before the release of the GAO Justice Department report." He claims that report concluded "no inappropriate political ends were being served by the Citizen USA program." Michael Dukakis released one prisoner who committed new crimes. It may have cost him the 1988 election. Could this be Al Gore's "Willie Horton"?

Cal Thomas is a nationally syndicated columnist.

Cal Thomas, Gore's `Willie Horton'?. , The Washington Times, 08-23-2000, pp A12.

93 posted on 04/01/2002 3:57:53 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
Anything that has Henry Cisneros' name on it should raise a red flag immediately. I think it was during his reign that HUD misplaced $59 billion. Of course they blamed poor accounting practices and a bunch of other problems for the loss. I have a hard copy of the article around here somewhere but the link doesn't work anymore.

I wonder where the money went!!

94 posted on 04/01/2002 4:21:54 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: Republic
"...everyday there are truckloads and van loads and car loads of hispanics-everywhere. Nothing wrong with that, it is just I wonder why."

There is something VERY wrong! You're being subject to further invasion.

Watch any woman walk past those cars and vans, and look at how they treat her- and think of your daughters.

95 posted on 04/01/2002 6:25:15 AM PST by SCalGal
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To: WRhine
So I find it absolutely amazing given all the turmoil in the world with different ethnic groups at each other's throat that our government would continue to pursue such reckless immigration here at home.

Bringing the turmoil straight to our doorstep. Truly amazing. I have always stated, if this immigration "free for all" does not stop, and soon, the future result will be complete chaos in the United States.

96 posted on 04/01/2002 6:44:47 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: brat
Its truly frightening to consider the REAL numbers.........

And just as fightening to see them ignored by many of the American people, who are either preoccupied or just don't give a damn.

97 posted on 04/01/2002 6:48:17 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: WRhine
Joe, I live 50 miles NW of Chicago and we are seeing it here too.

Please fasten your seat belts, on approach for landing.

98 posted on 04/01/2002 6:50:03 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It makes me literally sick ... I live in AZ. All they have to do is walk across the border. I hope the ranchers down there are on the job, because the Border Patrol and INS sure "aint"!

g

99 posted on 04/01/2002 6:53:51 AM PST by Geezerette
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To: Jethro Tull
— Bush administration commissioner James Ziglar was confirmed for the job in August right before the attack. His only law enforcement experience is serving as the Sergeant-at-Arms for the Senate.

Incredible!

100 posted on 04/01/2002 6:54:26 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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