Posted on 03/31/2002 9:58:53 AM PST by knighthawk
Good point! Let's see if we can get that message through to Steyn?
Mark? This is a conservative forum, bud. Sure, you get a handful here, posting while wearing their Aryan Nation armbands, who get a big kick out of 'surrender monkey' pieces, and piling on the French. But they're in the minority. Most of us like something a bit more thoughtful and intelligent, especially from a big name writer like you. So, instead of spending ten minutes typing rubbish like this, playing on lowest common denominator prejudices for an easy weekend dollar, how about treating your readers like adults? Thanks in advance, By.
Byron, are you prepared to claim that, 7 years ago, you weren't supporting the invasion of French territory and demonstrating your hatred of all things Garlic by picketing French restaurants?
I am a Dutchman living in the Netherlands. The US liberated Europe at the cost of 405.000 casualties. But instead of being eternaly greatful, the Eurowhinies (yes, Eurobashing is allowed on my threads, if you let me join in!) hate the US.
Strangely I love the USA much more then I love Holland, and this since I was a kid. And I am an American Republican at heart (that is why I post here). I do not agree with the rest of Europe. Europeans are blind to what is killing them, they proved that in 1930's and kept it up until Hitler marched through Europe.
Now the same thing is happening again (Saddam, Arafat). But 9/11 made a lot of people to open their eyes, the leftists elites are no longer in complete control. The elections proved that in Denmark and Portugal, and on May 15 they will prove it here: a landslide to the right! A lot of people over here are sick and tired of the lies from the left too.
(Did anyone of you think I would approve/take part of Eurobashing when you did read the first sentence?)
What I want to know is what happened to the volcanic goat cheese. It's like the EU took it off the "eligible for export" list or something.
My money's still on President Bossier, Vice President Chenier, and Speaker Hastert.
'Nuff said!
You are right knighthawk, we in america see so much america bashing from the leftists in power in Europe that we tend to lump all Europeans into the same group. We forget that america is only fractionally further to the right than europe, and that we have only just come back into the light after 8 years of Clinton. I believe that european politics tends to lag american politics by several years, so that with a move to the right in america as is now obvious, we will soon see more politians on the right taking power in europe.
I appreciate the good will any European citizen has toward the U.S.A., and I hope to see an increase in Nationalism in Europe as well as the U.S.A. I do not believe that Frenchmen should be interchangeable with Danes, or Germans, or Dutchmen ect. All can be proud of the great accomplishments of their respective culture, citizens, and Nations. (Same for us Americans) Blenderizing everybody into follow the leader leftthink will endanger Europe additionally. I am grateful that the U.S. has begun to move away from this approval seeking silde. I wish you Europeans good fortune. NP
Bump.
My personal favorite is LBJ's retort to DeGaulle on the French demand in the 1960's to remove all American military from French soil: "Is it just the living or do you want us to dig up our dead, too?"
As to Steyn's piece, he saved his best for last: History teaches us that the most lasting peace is achieved when one side-- preferably the worst side--is decisively defeated and the regime's diseased organs are comprehensively cleansed. That's why National Socialism, Fascism and Japanese militarism have not troubled us of late.
If it is xenophobia you want to find, I suppose I can grant you that Steyn does appeal to nationalist sentiments. However, I think you would find it hard to argue the basic common sense of the italicized remarks above. If Steyn is off the "Mark", please expand your comments to refute the statement above.
Ping for the MSPL. It's a repeat of an ealier column this week, but it's a good one if you missed it earlier.
Damn right I'll claim that.
I remember that sorry period very clearly, when the French were testing their nuke triggers at Mururoa Atoll. What I was doing then was calling talk radio just about every day and labelling Greenpeace and the Left as Sov puppets. And going to the little French restaurant in Willoughby to show a bit of support in the face of one of Australlia's most shameful episodes of mass hysteria. You won't be surprised to hear we had no trouble getting a table. :)
True, we may be importing "productive" people from other lands, and they may even become American "citizens." A question must be posed: Is the motivation of the new immigrant purely mercenary in nature, OR because they desire to be "American" in spirit and heart in the tradition of Washington, Adams, and Patrick Henry?
Sure, the one little section where Steyn takes a breath from propagandizing, to state the obvious. You sound like an intelligent person; can't you see how this piece is designed to reinforce a certain type of reader's prejudices? And attention, Mark Steyn : PJ O'Rourke did the Rambo quote a lot better, in Holidays in Hell. We Freepers know PJ, and you're no PJ.
Whoa big guy -- I think Steyn is on our side. He battles every day. Put the Colt 45 back in the holster, ok?
I suppose we could send some shrinks to Australia too.
Agreed. But in some ways, that makes this piece even worse.
What is the benefit to the US in needlessly alienating the Europeans? They're in the middle of a swing to the Right, as we've seen in Scandinavia, Austria and Italy. So things are trending better there. And if it comes down to a face-off, some years hence, between the US and China, do we want the world divided into three blocs? Or do we want the West standing shoulder to shoulder? I just find all this French-bashing here incredibly infantile and ignorant. They live a lot closer to the action, and have been invaded twice last century- so of course they're not going to be as gung-ho about making war as some Duluth Freeper sitting comfortably in front of his computer.
How thoughtful.
Would your personal one be too busy to make the trip? :)
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