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Where to begin?

I am English, but not military.

Yugoslavia was an artificial state created after a number of wars, and recently kept intact by a communist, Tito, as a member of the communist block. As conditions changed after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the participating statelets, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Montenegro sought to gain independence one by one.

The Serbs under Milosevic used military and paramilitary force against them all, including the shelling of cities, ethnic cleansing etc.

Milosevic also repressed political opposition in his own country, including assassination of his opponents, and imprisoned the man who is now the freely elected president of Kosovo.

Whilst Milosevich was ruler of Serbia, the Balkans experienced nothing but and atrocity, since he was removed there has been nothing but (relative) peace.

As to the interview of Pastor Bigler, I repeat that this is pro da.

I could go right through it but I will just ask one question.

As to his central point that the prison camps were fabricated, he says he heard it from some journalists. Why did he not go there, where are the photographs, where is the video?

He says he had an open mind, but apparently never met any Kosovans who represented the other point of view. One of them was so keen to communicate with him they sent him a long fax, but he belittles them on the strength of a Serbians claims.

There are no hard facts in this interview, only perceptions and hearsay, and dare I say it, spin.

By your friends shall we know you. For those that know British politics, the names of the Members of Parliament at the event sponsored by Balkanpeace reveal that it is nothing more than a pro communist, anti Nato, anti American organisation.

If Pastors always tell the truth, what about Jesse Jackson?

Your backgrounder is very wrong. FYI
SFRY was never a member of the "communist bloc". The US considered it a anti-Soviet neutral. ( along the lines of say, Finland or Socialist Sweden. Interestigly enough Sweden's economy during the post-war period had just about the same amout of state control as the SFRY) The entire military structure of the SFRY was geared to defending against a Warsaw Pact invasion.

Interesting that you would condem a country for being communist when England was pretty much a commie country from 1946 until (thankfully) Maggie came to save the day.

guilt by association ?
So you'd rather stay in bed with Mr. 3rd Way T. Blair and "it all depends on the meaning of the word 'is'" Clinton.

Sure, there may be a couple of lefty guys mentioned on the site, but on the whole it is pretty conservative and anti-commie.

BTW not all conservatives are flag waving tub thumpers....Here is a conservative site which may get your dander up......www.lewrockwell.com......point is that being conservative doesn't mean one's mind shuts off when it comes to foriegn policy.

Bigler appears pretty honest and forthright in his interview. Unlike Blair, who tends towards vulgar excess and hyper-active language, Bigler simply tells what he saw and what he heard....and makes clear the difference.

I am not gonna engage you in a long learning exercise on the reckless, illegal, and counterproductive nature of Clinton's War to Destroy Yugoslavia...... I'll let Spar post some links for you to pursue....He has a nice one which the English MP's prepared and a few showing how Clinton effectively allied us w/ Al-Queeda in the Yugoslav Wars

For those that know British politics, the names of the Members of Parliament

Then I guess the number in Parliament is in the majority on "our side" or have you not read your nation's own Parliamentary report on the subject. The willfully ignorant are not to be pitied. House of Commons Foreign Affairs - Fourth Report [UK Admits NATO's Kosovo War Illegal]

Whatever Yugoslavia's problems, she was a founding memember of the U.N. and her constitution was just as old as the artificial creation of Italy or Germany, or for that matter the artificial United Kingdoms of the Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England, and the Isle of Man.

Yugoslavia was an artificial state created after a number of wars, and recently kept intact by a communist, Tito, as a member of the communist block

Please allow me some corrections to your thesis, Mr. (it is Mr., right?) Brit. Yugoslavia was created after the Great War by its constituent peoples. While their choice was later ratified in Geneva by the major Allies, the decision was made by the people of Yugoslavia. That’s hardly “artificial” in my book, certainly not compared with some of the confections that Britain has foisted on the world. As for Tito and the communism thing, well, we can thank the Brits for that as well. Given your country's sorry record in meddling with other nations' affairs, perhaps it's time to start keeping your hands off, eh?