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To: LS
I am certainly not fighting for a new investigation of Clinton or Riady, any more than I am fighting to re-open whether Andrew Jackson violated the civil rights of two Englishment whom he hanged in the early 1800s.

No, you'll just dream up yet another RIDICULOUS excuse to "move on" ... just like we would expect a democRAT to do.

We flat disagree about the press. Yeah, use pardongate as an example. That's perfect. Who got indicted? How many columns did you see in the mainstream press to actually investigate?

Again you use the behaviour of the mainstream press as your EXCUSE. IF you really are a republican, then you've already lost the war, and you don't even know it. Furthermore Bush and Ashcroft did NOT investigate pardongate PROPERLY. They turned the matter over to a Clinton holdover who was demonstrably covering up other Clinton administration matters and what did she do? Cover it up too. She hasn't even bothered to interview many of the key people. But FOX NEWS did make an issue of it, forcing the other networks to make an issue of it. Which was my point. And that was in a matter that could be SPUN. The three cases I suggest could not be spun. They are cut and dry and VERY serious.

It seems like every time the people in this country speak with ANY message that conservatives don't like, you act like Democrats and blame the people.

I'm not blaming the people. YOU ARE. I'm blaming Bush and Ashcroft for not EVEN investigating serious crimes. Unlike you, I'm willing to TRUST the good sense of the American people IF they are presented with the facts. Why do you fear that?

The voters get what they want, and that is what disturbs you.

Not if the voters are INFORMED, and that is obviously what YOU fear.

You can "lead" all you want, but if the public perceives that you aren't leading in the right direction, you are gone. Jimmy Carter "led." He had all sorts of stupid initiatives.

Oh ... perhaps you consider upholding the law to be a "stupid initiative"? Why don't you LIST the matters in which Carter led and see how they compare to "leading" in making sure that our election process isn't corrupt, that our leaders aren't blackmailed and insuring that a political party doesn't KILL when threatened.

I guess we agree that the Dems and the press will say there are no crimes committed.

No we don't agree. The "dems" and press can spin sex and pardons, they cannot spin KNOWINGLY taking money from the communist chinese (and that is what the Riady non-refund is all about) or KILLING a Secretary of Commerce. If they try to do that they will only help convince the undecided that democRAT are dangerous.

Now, here is a challenge for you. Think before you respond, and if you start posting about Riady or pardongate again I'll ignore you: name me ONE, ONE administration in American history (let alone any GREAT one) whose primary focus was investigating "crimes" of any other administration.

Sorry but you are just using a variation of the "they all do it" democRAT tactic to avoid dealing with facts you don't like and that is something that democRATS invariably do. If aren't a democRAT then you are not much different. Furthermore, are we to base all our decisions on what was done in the past? If so, then this country would not even exist. We would still be under British rule. Maybe it is past time that each administration makes sure that the last one OBEYED THE LAW. If they don't we will just see more like Clinton, even in the Republican Party. The bottom line is that you appear to want our leaders and their parties to be above the law ... and most people would call that TYRANNY.

798 posted on 03/30/2002 9:00:46 AM PST by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
Here is what we have established, based on your comments, which get more confused with every post:

The people will "do what is right" IF they are informed.

But they won't be informed unless the administration investigates crimes that the people don't care about.

But FOX to the rescue. FOX has gotten people all worked up over pardongate . . . so energized that . . . nobody cares. Which is why it's Bush's job to do something.?

But this is totally circular. If FOX was so powerful it could get the media all jazzed about pardongate, then why didn't the people demand something be done? Obviously there was a great deal of sentiment for SOMETHING to be done about airport security---I think the wrong thing, but something was done in response to a genuine concern.

But this ends it for me. Label me a "move on-er." But do let me know when you get ready to investigate Teapot Dome again, or maybe the Jackson crimes. Andrew, not Jesse.

803 posted on 03/30/2002 1:55:21 PM PST by LS
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