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To: autumn
First, what IF the only way we could attack Iraq was to keep Israel quiet for a while so we could base in Qatar and Saudi Arabia? Would you do that?

If not, then you would agree that the war on terrorism should be abandoned?

Second, true, Bush did rein in Israel a couple of weeks ago, but TODAY'S statement by Powell had a much different tone. If this represents the "new" policy, then it means that as always, Bush gives you ONE CHANCE to "straighten up and fly right," then he clobbers you. He gave Arafat his chance.

But third, you and all other American conservatives (like Rush) need to get something through your heads: Israel is DIVIDED on the "proper" policy, and they booted Netanyahu OUT. I think they should boot the Palestinians out, but it isn't my country. Until Israel, and the vast majority of liberal Israelis (imagine New York City in the Middle East!) decide that they cannot negotiate with the Palestinian terrorists, neither Bush nor all the upset conservatives in the world can do one thing. This is Israel's call, REGARDLESS of what Bush or the U.S. says.

Do you realize that Israel can tell us to stick our $3 billion in aid? They haven't because they like that aid. But when they come to the point that they see their security is more important than that money, then they can truly say that we have "let their people go." At that point, God help the Arabs, because Allah sure won't.

11 posted on 03/29/2002 3:28:22 PM PST by LS
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To: LS
#1---What if "keeping Israel quiet" leads to more bloodshed and death---or worse--the end of the state of Israel itself? You don't seem to realize that, if things continue as they are, Israel's days are numbered (maybe only in double or triple digits).

#2---No, I would not give up the war on terrorism. But there are other options on how to manage it besides the one you outlined.

#3---Bush and Powell talk "new" policies all the time. It's called talking out of both sides of your mouth. We never know where our two most important leaders of state stand, nor does anyone else.

#4---Don't blame the Israeli people for the fact that their leaders (Netanyahu included) are always giving in to the "peace talkers". Their leaders have betrayed them on down through the years by talking one way and then governing another.

21 posted on 03/29/2002 3:37:42 PM PST by autumn
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To: LS
Reagan gave in time and again (higher taxes in 1986 . . .

What is your source for this contention. I did a google search on this and ended up at the Hoover Institute's web page and they wrote in there that "President Ronald Reagan’s Tax Reform Act of 1986 . . . reduced the top marginal rate of tax from 50 percent to 28 percent." Here is the link. Now maybe what you are saying is that Reagan made the tax code simpler by eliminating various tax deductions in return for lowering marginal rates. But is it really fair to call that a tax increase?

39 posted on 03/29/2002 4:01:37 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: LS
LS, great contributions to this debate. I hope your reasonableness and realism (not a bad word) catches on. Per your suggestion of reading Reagan's book---yeah, we should and start a thread on it. That might put this discussion in historical context.
205 posted on 03/29/2002 6:23:01 PM PST by fightinJAG
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