New lead roils anthrax probe

I find it difficult to believe that anyone would die for the sake of Saddam Hussein.

True, although there are people carrying out suicide attacks on Israel almost daily now because Saddam bestows a small fortune on their relatives. Saddam's MO is consistent. He has a fairly limited bag of tricks, but he knows how to leverage them to the hilt. If you are militarily weak, kamikaze killers are on a par with anthrax -- enormously valuable unconventional weapons for levelling the playing field. Together, they make a particularly lethal cocktail. As Saddam does not himself inspire fanatical devotion, only fear, he has to look elsewhere for suicide attackers to advance his agenda -- to the Palistinians, and to Osama bin Laden. He has what they want, they have what he wants, and they all want the Jews killed off and the Great Satan America humbled. Is it any wonder they do so much business together?

The great leader Saddam Hussein has said, "When we feel that the Iraqis might starve, by God, we will open for them the great storehouses of the universe." The United States must understand that there is a limit to the patience of the Iraqis. They must not imagine that the destrction of Iraqi missiles and other weapons will strip the Iraqi people of their ability to influence matters and change the course of history. The will of a people who want to live in dignity is the strongest and most effective missile.
Does the United States realize the meaning of opening the storehouses of the universe with the will of the Iraqi people? . . . Does it realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile than can cross to countries and cities?
Iraqi newspaper, Babil, September 29, 1994

I think I may have it.

Books 9 and 11 of the Koran
deal entirely with the punishment of the unbelievers.

Here are some samples.

At-Tauba (Book 9)

Then when the Sacred Months
(the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar)
have passed,
then kill the Mushrikûn (unbelievers) wherever you find them,
and capture them and besiege them,
and prepare for them each and every ambush.
And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh,
and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh.
That is a saying from their mouths.
They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old.
Allâh's Curse be on them,
how they are deluded away from the truth!

Hud (Book 11)

This book deals entirely with the destruction of the evil-doers,
the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Pharoh, etc.
Sample:

but those of the sects
(Jews, Christians and all the other non-Muslim nations)
that reject it (the Qur'ân),
the Fire will be their promised meeting-place.

A Final Comment:

Why was the date written 09-11-01 and not 09-11-2001??

Clearly because after the destruction of the unbelievers
(09-11)
follows the true word of Allah
(Chapter 1 of the Koran)

The Koran

Very interesting. This is the kind of thing one would expect, although it's impossible to know if this interpretation is correct.

I note that even Surat 1, has, as the last and the longest of only seven short verses, the following:

The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

This Surat is described as the introduction or preface, and it presumably sets the tone for the entire Koran, and, therefore, the entire religion. One of the important ways Islam defines itself, right at the beginning of the Koran, is by deriding Judaism and Christianity.

I notice that Surat 9 includes instructions that the unbelievers are to be given four months, at the end of which time all treaties with them are considered to be no longer valid, and the idolaters should then be slain if they do not repent. Wasn't there a similar statement made by Mullah Omar this past Fall?

On the other hand, it seems that if you pick almost any chapter of the Koran, you can find statements just as inflammatory as the ones in chapters 9 and 11. I think the argument is therefore inconclusive.

Very good.

I am sure the folks over in Homeland Defense have someone who believes this or another element in the Koran to be the source of the date. He or she would also understand that these numbers can be used in the Islamic lunar calendar and the Western solar calendar, both forward and backward, to come up with other propitious dates - but more importantly, dates which may be communicated to other cell members with a citation of scripture!

Now, let's go a bit further - did the FBI or David Koresh follow this standard when it came to the Waco situation? Note that Mr. Howell was into polygamy, as well as an exceedingly stressful interpretation of Christian texts. Was he also into Islamic mysticism? Did he know Mr. Atta or any of Atta's friends?

This should not be ruled out since we do know the Murrah bombing was done as a revenge (according to McVeigh himself).

Logically, if Atta and Howell had some connection, other related groups might well be examined more closely, and I don't mean the survivalist or the neo-nazi groups. This would include the various break-away 7th Day Adventist Groups that permeat the West, as well as the cults running under the title of Church of the First Born (Howell's grandmother's church, and Bill Clinton's father's church). Only the religious groups seem to be able to maintain enough cohension to keep the government out for long periods. The political groups are all readily infiltrated, and most of them have had their most dangerous leadership elements busted and imprisoned.

From:

Translated Text: Hijackers' How-To [Interesting Arabic scholars' analysis] CBS

(The article you posted).

3. Reading and understanding well the chapters Al-Anfaal and At-Tawba
[or chapters 8 and 9 of the Holy Koran]
and understanding their meanings very well
and what Allah has prepared for the believers
or the permanent bliss for the martyrs.

So Chapter 9 certainly is important to them.
Why no reference to chapter 11??
(assuming the text was not altered by someone)

Dunno.
maybe that was meant for a later date.

If you read Surat 11
it reads like a plan
for the ‘final solution’
of the unbelievers.

And we do have the one plumber involved in the Memphis case who was known to have had a WTC pass immediately prior to the event.

"This is new to me. What is the story?"

Go here -- a thread from the "TN drivers license scandal" links...

Feds fear license examiner is dead -- Memphis woman's co-defendant tied to 9/11, judge told

"She responded that a visitor's pass for the World Trade Center, dated Sept. 5, 2001, was found in Sakhera Hammad's wallet. Hammad told authorities he was a plumber and worked on the center's sprinkler system, Nash said."

There is no direct evidence that these particular people, or the fake ID operation, is tied to 9/11. At least, none that is public. But it looks suspicious enough to set off alarm bells...

"This suggests that they were not Islamic fundamentalists, such as one would expect from members of al-Qaeda. Saddam Hussein's Iraq, on the other hand, is not a fundamentalist state; it's not exactly secular in Western terms, but it's fairly close. It's quite believable that the hijackers were agents of, or associated with, Iraq."

Another observation inferentially supporting the idea: recall how much evidence was left behind in the automobiles, clearly implicating bin Laden? It smelled so much of a set-up that I was initially inclined to disbelieve it -- but couldn't figure which terrorist group would benefit from laying a false track. However, it would clearly be beneficial for a terrorist state, wouldn't it...?

Thanks for the link.

There is no direct evidence that these particular people, or the fake ID operation, is tied to 9/11. At least, none that is public. But it looks suspicious enough to set off alarm bells...

There are quite a few instances like that. There's the body of the suspected Islamic extremist Hassan Jandoubi found in the Toulouse petrochemical plant after the massive explosion. There are the anthrax mailings. There are Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan, who are themselves likely associated with Sabash Gurung and Mohammed Pervez. Continue with Mohammed Butt, Allah Rakah, ...., the list goes on and on. Some of these people are probably innocent of any involvement with terrorism, but it's hard to know. Maybe it would be worth putting together a complete list to give a better overview of the situation.

[There are also the various suspicious airline crashes -- AA 587, the flight from Israel to Russia, EgyptAir 990, TWA 800 -- which of these were accidental and which were terrorist-related? Remember, if Richard Reid had succeeded, there would be a fifth suspicious crash in this list with no proof that it was an act of terrorism either.]

[And what about the Oklahoma City bombing, John Doe #2, and Timothy McVeigh's cryptic references to Iraq?]

Maybe this is too much tin foil, but there are a lot more questions than answers.

"Maybe this is too much tin foil, but there are a lot more questions than answers."

And they are very good questions, are they not?

The casual matter-of-fact manner in which George Stephanapoulos and, then, John Kerry equated the WTC attack to the TWA 800 "bombing" made my antenna quiver. The transcript is ambiguous but, when I heard Stephanapoulos make the connection on 9/11, there was no doubt in my mind what he meant by it.

And, as you pointed out, the Oklahoma City case is also being re-visited.

There is, indeed, a great deal that we don't know which is well worth learning...

"And what about the Oklahoma City bombing, John Doe #2, and Timothy McVeigh's cryptic references to Iraq?"

And, if there was an interface with al-Qaeda or Iraq, it was probably Terry Nichols -- what with all his trips to The Philippines, allegedly to meet with Ramzei Youssef.

As I understand it, Nichols will still stand trial in Oklahoma for murder. And, he will face the death penalty.
He may yet talk...

There is, indeed, a lot of logic and circumstantial evidence supporting that notion. I hadn't thought this element through but, upon reflection, am inclined to agree -- Iraq could well have been calling the shots on the WTC attacks.

Another observation inferentially supporting the idea: recall how much evidence was left behind in the automobiles, clearly implicating bin Laden? It smelled so much of a set-up that I was initially inclined to disbelieve it -- but couldn't figure which terrorist group would benefit from laying a false track. However, it would clearly be beneficial for a terrorist state, wouldn't it...?

I'm inclined to think that, in a sense, Iraq is taking advantage of al-Qaeda, just as al-Qaeda took advantage of Afghanistan. In each case, the side with the disadvantage thinks that it's getting what it wants, and maybe it is, but maybe it's just being used.

Iran and Iraq appear to be in this roughly as equals. (Iran has clearly been supplying the Palestinian terrorists, for instance. Iraq also been making payments to the families of the suicide bombers.)

The big question is: What is China's role, if any? This is entirely speculative, and there's certainly no evidence, but consider: Who would benefit from a protracted war between the Muslim world and the West? China. The Chinese could just sit back and watch while their two major enemies weakened one another. Is China goading Iraq, pretending to help it but actually just fueling the fire?

This is a good find.

From: Translated Text: Hijackers' How-To [Interesting Arabic scholars' analysis] CBS
(The article you posted).
3. Reading and understanding well the chapters Al-Anfaal and At-Tawba [or chapters 8 and 9 of the Holy Koran] and understanding their meanings very well and what Allah has prepared for the believers or the permanent bliss for the martyrs.

So Chapter 9 certainly is important to them. Why no reference to chapter 11?? (assuming the text was not altered by someone)

It should be possible to check whether it really gives the name of chapter 8. In the FR link I posted earlier, there's a link to a page with photographs of one of the originals, in Arabic. This passage mentioning chapters 8 and 9 is close to the top (and it is numbered 3 in a list, 1-2-3), so it should be easy to find. The Koran link you posted includes the text in Arabic, so you can compare the chapter name in the document with the title of chapter 8 in the document, and see if they match. (I thought I would just do it, but it's quite a bit harder than it sounds, with the document in scrawled Arabic handwriting, and I don't have the time right now for the meticulous matching that would be required. For someone who knows Arabic, or is at least familiar with the Arabic alphabet and Arabic handwriting, it would probably be easy.)

Dunno. maybe that was meant for a later date.

If you read Surat 11 it reads like a plan for the ‘final solution’ of the unbelievers.

Indeed.

"We have repeated reports of sightings of Mohamed Atta (and two of the other hijackers, al-Shehhi and Jarrah) meeting with Iraqi agents in Europe on a variety of occasions."

Recall the stories about the Iraqi terrorist training camp? Salman Pak, I believe it is, about fifty miles downriver from Baghdad.

I wonder if there is any evidence that Atta, or any of the other terrorists, passed thru Salman Pak...

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