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Even Nuclear Arms Might Not Bust Enemy Bunkers, Scientists Say
Kansas City Star | March 26, 2002 | Scott Canon

Posted on 03/28/2002 12:14:54 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen

Kansas City Star
March 26, 2002

Even Nuclear Arms Might Not Bust Enemy Bunkers, Scientists Say

By Scott Canon, The Kansas City Star

There is good reason the United States put its doomsday command center inside a mountain and its shadow government in subterranean bunkers.

It is the same reason al-Qaida fighters take to caves and that, the world suspects, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein stashes his deadliest weapons underground.

Because even when chased by a military with the most amazing bombs, an enemy on the run or trying to cache supplies can expect that a bunker dug deep enough rarely buckles.

"There's a race on between people who want to hide their stuff or themselves underground and the people they're hiding from," said Robert Hewson, the London-based editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. "Right now, the people who are hiding have the edge."

Simply put, experts in areas ranging from geology to engineering to warfare concur that a low-tech refuge carved sufficiently deep into rock can withstand assault from even the most sophisticated of 21st-century bombs. The government estimates 1,100 such bunkers exist from North Korea to Iraq to hide the nastiest of weapons or the highest ranking of enemy leaders.

In fact, leaks this month suggest that American frustration with cat-and-mouse has the Bush administration contemplating a taboo -- unleashing nuclear firepower on targets previously reserved for conventional weapons.

A draft of the Nuclear Posture Review -- echoing the thoughts of Bill Clinton's nuclear war planners -- calls for the military to study using nuclear weapons against hardened targets in a handful of nations.

"But a nuclear weapon is not a magic bullet," said Steve Fetter, a physicist and public policy professor at the University of Maryland who worked in the Defense Department under Clinton.

Theory and practice

While nuclear weapons represent the most extreme approach, they also show how hard it is to crumple an underground compound.

Experts expect an attack on, for instance, an Iraqi bunker probably would be an earth-penetrating B61-11 -- partly assembled at the Honeywell plant in Kansas City. It would be carried by the B-2 stealth bomber, which flies nonstop to anywhere in the world from Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo.

In theory, that relatively small nuclear warhead's shape and super-hardened steel nose would knife deep into the earth's surface before exploding.

Instead of Hiroshima-style blinding light and mushroom cloud, the energy of this atom-splitting would run out in shock waves through the earth to collapse caves or bunkers.

Or perhaps not.

Princeton University physicist and arms-control specialist Robert Nelson studied how the B61-11 might work in practice. In test drops from a B-2 cruising at 40,000 feet, the bomb usually burrowed 20 to 30 feet in the Alaska permafrost. (It does, however, have a tendency to skip off the ground if it strikes at too shallow an angle.)

But a nuclear explosion at 20 feet underground actually maximizes radioactive fallout.

"The fireball breaks through the surface of the earth, carrying into the air large amounts of dirt and debris," Nelson wrote last year. "This material has been exposed to the intense neutron flux from the nuclear detonation, which adds to the radioactivity from the fission products."

To contain the radiation from a 5-kiloton explosion -- relatively small by today's standards -- such bombs at the Nevada Test Site were buried 650 feet.

"We're back where we started with nuclear weapons," said Stephen Schwartz, publisher of The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. "The fallout, both radioactive and political, is just too great."

Checking the science

Another physicist looked at what destructive power a buried nuclear bomb could wreak.

"I figured if you buried a nuke, it was going to destroy a lot of stuff underground," said Geoffrey Forden, a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's security studies program.

But in preparing an article for Jane's Intelligence Review, Forden needed to check the science first. He combed through decades-old research that explored the use of nuclear explosions to build reservoirs or to clear a channel for a canal across Panama.

Forden used that data to analyze the likely damage to underground bunkers from a bomb penetrating about 100 feet -- five times deeper than B61-11s burrow and well beyond what physicists believe is possible.

"Even a (10 kiloton) nuclear weapon cannot destroy or even damage the equipment in an underground facility buried 300 meters in granite," Forden wrote.

The Pentagon acknowledges the 700-pound B61-11 does not penetrate deep enough to reach some bunkers. It recommends studying whether a 5,000-pound version could do better, although physicists say the existing bomb is already at the limits of how far a projectile could sink into the earth without breaking apart.

Even a bunker less than a quarter-mile underground might survive a nuclear bomb that misses by fewer than 200 yards -- which is quite possible considering the B61-11 comes without a guidance system.

Forden studied the problem posed by the suspected underground chemical weapons near Tarhunah, Libya. The plant is believed to have a pair of tunnel entrances. Which direction those tunnels lead, however, is a mystery.

That means a nuclear bomb might strike the area and still spare the bunker, Forden concluded.

All this strategy is based on the assumption that the bomb would even go off. That is no sure bet.

An earth-penetrating bomb would meet a shock equal to 10,000 times the force of gravity. Consequently, it uses a warhead adapted from the technology used for atomic artillery shells -- they were subject to similar forces when shot from a cannon -- that are no longer in use.

But the package of earth-penetrating shell and atomic warhead never has been tested as a whole. The U.S. has operated under a self-imposed nuclear testing ban for more than 10 years.

A new role

The Bush administration has dismissed suggestions that it is considering anything very new for American nuclear policy. Yet high-ranking officials also have stressed that the United States stands willing to use a range of options to deter chemical or biological attacks.

Stephen Younger, a nuclear-weapons specialist who recently went from a top spot at the Los Alamos National Laboratory to a key policy-making post in the Pentagon, wrote two years ago in favor of a new role for nuclear strikes.

"Some very hard targets require high yield to destroy them," Younger wrote when he was at Los Alamos. "It might be desirable to retain a small number of higher-yield nuclear weapons in the arsenal as deterrents against enemy confidence in the survival of such targets."

Still, many experts said conventional bombs currently may hold at least as good an answer to attacking buried shelters. While ordinary bombs could not be expected to cave in the buried Libyan depot, perhaps if guided by lasers or satellites they could reliably slam shut the entrances.

"Then you just keep watching it to see if they dig it open," said Hewson, the British air weapons expert. "When they do, you just hit it again. Maybe you haven't destroyed their anthrax supplies, but you've put them out of reach."

In Afghanistan, the U.S. military has tried new 2,000-pound "thermobaric" bombs. Instead of packing explosive power, they come as super-charged fire breathers that, when they hit the entrance of a cave or tunnel, can suck out the air from inside and reduce any occupants to ash. A barrier in a tunnel, however, can protect against that sort of attack.

Among those answering the military's call for bunker-busting ideas was Paul Worsey, a University of Missouri-Rolla professor who deals with explosives and engineering as a mining specialist.

Worsey's proposal assumes ground troops can grab the territory over a bunker for at least a few hours. Then, he said, a crew simply could drill a narrow hole from ground level into a bunker, pour in liquid explosives and stand back.

"If they plug your hole, you just blast away the plug," Worsey said. "I suppose the Air Force would prefer to drop something off a stealth bomber, but that approach doesn't seem to solve the problem."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltech
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To: dighton
Let's ROLL!!
41 posted on 04/16/2002 8:07:05 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
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42 posted on 04/17/2002 7:44:38 AM PDT by timestax
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To: PhilDragoo
The operator illuminates a target with a laser designator and then the munition guides to a spot of laser energy reflected from the target.

OK, so who volunteers to stick around and illuminate the target until the nuke hits it?

43 posted on 04/17/2002 8:53:32 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The underlying importance of this article, though it be filled with faulty assumptions, is that it recognizes nukes as a legitimate option.
44 posted on 04/17/2002 9:12:06 AM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
Good point!

Keep the enemies guessing!

45 posted on 04/17/2002 11:41:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Keep the enemies guessing!"

May not be any guess to it. I would not be at all surprised if the first blow was a nuke on Iraq's command & control, WMD research center and/or Saddam's bunker.

This would be in accord with our stated national policy that we would be prepared to respond to any chemical or bio-attack with nuclear weapons. It is becoming increasingly clear that the anthrax came from Iraq. And that Iraq may have been waging a surreptitious war against us for as much as a decade.

46 posted on 04/17/2002 11:53:51 AM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
And that Iraq may have been waging a surreptitious war against us for as much as a decade.

Ya mean they're still fighting the Gulf War? Nahhh. We won that one fair and square...

47 posted on 04/17/2002 12:03:36 PM PDT by null and void
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To: SauronOfMordor
OK, so who volunteers to stick around and illuminate the target until the nuke hits it?

A UAV.

48 posted on 04/17/2002 5:43:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: vannrox
bttt
49 posted on 04/18/2002 9:59:17 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Stand Watch Listen
These guys aren't thinking really well .... we've got megaton range bombs ... if that's what it takes, so be it.
50 posted on 04/18/2002 10:20:47 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Centurion2000
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51 posted on 04/19/2002 5:59:01 PM PDT by timestax
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To: M Kehoe
bttt
52 posted on 05/02/2002 5:40:32 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Centurion2000
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53 posted on 05/11/2002 1:44:58 PM PDT by timestax
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54 posted on 05/16/2002 10:06:22 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Stand Watch Listen
We have hundreds of thousands of tons of chemical weapons going to waste when they could be exterminating the ratholes of terrorists and their defenders. Screw UN treaties and Amnesty Intercommunist, I say give a soaking dose of Arab "Raid".
55 posted on 05/16/2002 10:12:20 PM PDT by rebelsoldier
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To: timestax
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56 posted on 01/15/2003 10:44:10 PM PST by timestax
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has the Bush administration contemplating a taboo -- unleashing nuclear firepower Let's Roll
57 posted on 01/15/2003 10:47:33 PM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Silver & Black is back!)
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To: timestax; *miltech
I bert this has rolled off of the Miltech list. Let's put it back !

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

58 posted on 01/15/2003 10:52:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Gray Davis!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
What a stupid article. Nukes could take out most of the worlds bunkers. Only places built like Colorado Springs could survive direct nuclear arms.

Now wait a minute... The article was clearly discussing how effective nuclear weapons would be in Iraq *given certain constraints* which are likely to be the case.

Sure, you can crack just about anything by repeated application of 50 megaton H-bombs... But the side-effects are going to be a bitch (like giving most of Turkey radiation sickness).

The point of the article is that if we *did* use nukes as bunker-busters in Iraq, they'd have to be smallish ones, and they'd have to be applied deep enough underground to minimize long-range fallout. Given the reality of our situation there (we're interested in keeping civilian casualties to a minimum), that's understandable.

59 posted on 01/15/2003 10:57:28 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: SauronOfMordor
"OK, so who volunteers to stick around and illuminate the target until the nuke hits it?"

"Hey, Abdul, could you hold this for a minute? I'll be right back."

60 posted on 01/15/2003 10:59:30 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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