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It is my position that a President may veto or fail to sign a bill based on his understanding of its constitutionality. His office had an early tradition of that ability that, though clouded by the Marshall Court to appear sence that such ability lies with the Court alone. My heartfelt belief that such was approprite in this instance does not lead me to characterize his failing as "traitorous" as some have.

The intemperate rhetoric has been on both sides.

My anger at where I pecieve the Administration is bound on Illegal Immigrants is based as much on my perceptions of where they are going, as well as what they have done by political manuevors. While I expect my anger to be justified, only the proof of final actions and results will make it turn to outright opposition.

There are those that are impatient to get to such a point.

Finally, as you point out this site is for "grass roots" conservatism and as such should have free ranging discussion. But it is also for promotion of conservatism in the long run and JR appears to be asking us occasionally not to make it a repository of overblown anti-republican rhetoric as a converted, Constitution Defending, Republican Party is still a possibility to many here and elsewhere. As such, I think the Bush-is-a-traitor crowd is just as off base as the Bush-babbies. Either side can make there positions without the hyperbole and perhaps communicate rather than just offend.

Thanks for the well composed vanity.

No matter how you slice it...Ross Perot gets the credit, OR the blame......look, if Perot hadn't run in 92, Bush the elder would have won hands down. Qualye would have lost to any Dem in 96, and the country would not accept a son running one term after his father...Primogeniture, and all that...so Bush he younger would still be governor of Texas..

because of perot, Cliton won in 92, and because of that, the GOP got control of both houses of Congress in 94..and because Clinton is evil, the dems supported him lemming like during impeachment, which is why Gore lost..had Gore been running as an incumbent in 200o, he'd have won hands down, and where would we be today?