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To: ancient_geezer
speaking of a memo regarding the Joint Tax Committee's assessment of the total Federal tax rate as a percentage of family consumption expenditures based on Clinton administration expectations for government growth in program funding)

And the Bush administration is exceeding even that with new programs, new bureacracies, increasing foreign aide and deficit spending....so what's your point?

Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.

Mr. Speaker, the previous speaker was asking about simplicity and how do we understand all of this. Let me read a memo from the Joint Committee on Taxation . This ought to be simple enough for the gentleman to understand.

The memorandum is in response to their request for an estimate of the budget neutral tax rate for H.R. 2525. That is the bill of the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. LINDER), a bill to replace the current U.S. corporate and individual income, estate and gift and Federal income contributions act, payroll taxes, with a flat tax on retail sales of all goods and services.

Then on the second page it has a little chart here, neutral over 5 years, 59.5 percent. That is what they want to do, neutral over 5 years, national sales tax 59.5 percent. I believe the American people can understand that.


18 posted on 03/28/2002 5:28:44 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.

Glad to see you are still supporting the liberal and Mr. Frost(D-Texas), Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, in there quest to keep th income/payroll tax system lewislynn.

And the Bush administration is exceeding even that with new programs, new bureacracies, increasing foreign aide and deficit spending....so what's your point?

And even using their demogoguery.

You might note the current(2001) total federal tax rate is 23.6% of gross family income according the Tax Foundation website.

Not the level of burden you imply. But then I'm not a particular fan of Republicans or Dems. I prefer that everyone know what they are really paying in taxes and everyone be hit with the same rate of 23% of their spending instead of 23.6% of their gross income, with a large fraction of the tax burden hidden, which you seem to be in favor of.

Looks like you are in good company however as 70% of the voting public still clamors for more from government looking for the top 40% of taxpayers to foot the bill.

And neither I, Alan Keyes nor Walter Williams see much change in that until the shell game ends.

Walter Williams, World Net Daily, 10-25-2000

According to the most recent U.S. Treasury Department figures, in 1997 the top 1 percent of income-earners (those with income of $250,000 and higher) paid 33 percent of all federal income taxes. The top 5 percent of income-earners ($108,000 and over) paid 52 percent, and the top 50 percent ($36,000 and over) paid 96 percent of income taxes. Guess what the bottom 50 percent of income earners paid?

If you're among those who pay little or no federal income taxes, what do you care about tax cuts? Moreover, if you think tax cuts pose a threat to government handout programs, you might be openly hostile and support Al Gore's silly "risky scheme" talk. So many Americans paying little or no federal taxes makes for a natural spending constituency. It's like me in the restaurant: What do I care about extravagance if you're footing the bill?

Keyes on Taxes & Government Spending:

Alan Keyes Interview with Des Moines Register:

The intent of the structure of the individual income tax is for political and social control not revenue collection. The Individual Income tax is maintained to establish and hold every person in the country perpetual legal jeopardy.

25 posted on 03/28/2002 7:20:29 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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