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To: P8riot
Then I can assume that you are IGNORANT, because you probably have never served a day in uniform. If you had then you would know that a military organization does not vote on what actions to take. Men give orders, men obey orders, things are broken, and people die! If military organizations were a democracy maybe things would be fair, but nobody would be around to enjoy them because they would all be killed while the votes were being counted.

Is the soldier obeying criminal order guilty or innocent? I presume that if he is ignorant of the criminality of it he is excused. But the leader is not, even if ignorant. The leader has obligation to be knowledgable.

In a country where I grew up the common convition is that soldiers are obliged to disobey criminal orders and that for example the Germans who commited atrocities in Poland were not excused by their orders. (And in Poland almost every men was in an army since there is a general draft)

212 posted on 03/27/2002 10:50:14 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
With all respect to your cool detachment and indifference... you are way off base.

In WWII, I don't remember anyone taking breaks for Christmas, New Year, or even Easter. So you bringing up a point of bombing of "christians" over Easter... what WAS your point?

As far as "the country you grew up in"... heck, the Poles were truly famous for thier wrath on the Jews the moment they had the chance! Some of the Poles anxiously waited for the Germans to arrive BECAUSE they would have a chance to "stick it to the Jews"! So, your cool detachment is a bit transparent, I am afraid. The anti-semitic ferver does not die just by moving to a different country. I am impressed with your ability to contain your joy while watching all them dirty Jews getting what they deserve!

219 posted on 03/27/2002 10:58:16 AM PST by besieged
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To: A. Pole
Is the soldier obeying criminal order guilty or innocent? I presume that if he is ignorant of the criminality of it he is excused.

Criminality is not at issue here. Don't come into this country calling the men and women who serve it ignorant, just because you came from a country where the military lacked enough discipline to enforce the obedience of orders to it's troops. An effective military cannot afford to tolerate insubordination to this degree, because if there are two soldiers on the battlefield, and one refuses to act because it violates his/her conscience, then both are dead. The real criminal act is the cowardice of the insubordinate one because he/she has caused the death of their comrade.

220 posted on 03/27/2002 10:59:30 AM PST by P8riot
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