Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 03/26/2002 1:56:10 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Oldeconomybuyer
"...(not)...needed in California, Arizona and New Mexico..."

We've had a coupla gunfights here in Arizona, admittedly on their side of the border.
I'm here to tell ya, if my a$$ were on the line, I'd be armed.


2 posted on 03/26/2002 2:05:19 PM PST by HiJinx
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
Arm the poor people for crying out loud. One good rush of terrorists, and the soldier is toast.
If the politicians were the ones sitting out there, they'd be sitting in bullet proof tanks!!!!
3 posted on 03/26/2002 2:12:33 PM PST by concerned about politics
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
PS...remember right after 9/11 they wanted bullet proof shields in front of them in the chambers? Cowards telling soldiers to be brave. Unbelievable !!
4 posted on 03/26/2002 2:14:21 PM PST by concerned about politics
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
No armed soldiers are needed in California, Arizona and New Mexico. In Texas three ports of entry should have a total of six armed soldiers.

If the writer of this memo believes those are the facts he is dillusional and needs serious help. Here is the pertainent part of a post from late last year strongly suggesting only a fool would go unarmed on our southern boarder:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE [San Diego, CA]-Shortly after noon on October 24, 2000, two U.S. Border Patrol agents patrolling the international border between the United States and Mexico were shot at by ten men dressed in military-style uniforms with tactical vests and carrying high-powered military rifles with bayonets.

The incident occurred in Copper Canyon, about eight miles east of the Otay Mesa Port of Entry.

Almost immediately after the agents disembarked from a clearly marked Border Patrol helicopter, the soldiers fired approximately eight shots at them from Mexico. The agents took cover in thick brush and identified themselves in Spanish as Border Patrol agents, but were nonetheless pursued by some of the soldiers, who entered the United States by crossing a well-maintained barbed-wire fence.

The other Mexican soldiers set up two sniper positions, one in Mexico and the other in the United States. The soldiers searched the area, pointing their weapons in the direction of the Border Patrol agents and ordering them in Spanish to come out of the brush. The agents did not comply, but instead identified themselves again and told the soldiers to return to Mexico.

Once other Border Patrol agents neared the scene, the soldiers retreated to Mexico and drove off in a minivan.

This is the second confirmed incident this year in which Border Patrol agents have been shot at by the Mexican military. The other occurred on March 14 in Santa Teresa, New Mexico. As in the previous incident, disaster in this case was averted only through the exemplary professionalism, courage and restraint of the involved Border Patrol agents.

Local 1613 of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents over 2,100 Border Patrol employees in the San Diego area, is seeking immediate action by the governments of both nations to ensure that incursions and acts of aggression by the Mexican military cease and desist before a tragedy occurs.

For further information, contact L. Keith Weeks, Local 1613 Vice-President, at (909) 600-2566. The freerepublic link is http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39fab4e86461.htm

6 posted on 03/26/2002 2:17:12 PM PST by joeyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
Meanwhile back at the crazy INS --
7 posted on 03/26/2002 2:34:59 PM PST by flamefront
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
What good is a Soldier without his rifle?
9 posted on 03/26/2002 3:01:36 PM PST by watcher1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
Let me get this straight, guards need M-16's to watch old ladies strip searched at domestic air terminals but, are unarmed at the borders? This isn't scarecrow security it is Potemkin national security policy!
10 posted on 03/26/2002 3:02:12 PM PST by Righty1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
That has to be great for our military's morale.
12 posted on 03/26/2002 3:25:23 PM PST by 4Freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
What a dummy I am. I learned something today,though.... Never would've guessed the Troops at the borders don't carry weapons. Where've I been all these years!?
13 posted on 03/26/2002 3:48:49 PM PST by silver fox two
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
What good is an unarmed soldier?

It looks like we've achieved our goal of being a kinder, stupider nation.

18 posted on 03/26/2002 5:45:01 PM PST by Barnacle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
No armed soldiers are needed in California, Arizona and New Mexico. In Texas three ports of entry should have a total of six armed soldiers.

Is this a joke?

27 posted on 03/26/2002 8:30:07 PM PST by SkyPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SAMWolf;Tailback;
Bump
28 posted on 03/26/2002 9:22:53 PM PST by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
and when you consider the recent news of the INS disarming their officers and de-milling their M-16 rifles so that it cannot fire automatic, just WHO is running the INS???
29 posted on 03/26/2002 9:23:12 PM PST by prophetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
bttt
32 posted on 03/26/2002 10:10:04 PM PST by Don Myers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
A late post but contemporary to the subject.

The enlisted personel posted as security on the deck of the USS Cole in Aden, reportedly had M-16's but no ammunition. I think that this practice is dereliction of duty on part of the OD in charge; that is to "appear armed", but in fact be unarmed. The Captain of the Cole should have been court martialed.

This is the type of policy that lost Viet Nam. This is a mistrust of the troops in harms way that they might get trigger happy and ruin an officers career. There is no honor for a commander in a policy such as this. If a superior does not trust the soldier, put a supervising NCO or Duty Officer with the armed detail.

As a "Buck" Sgt. I told a captain that I would rather go to the stockade than mount guard with arms and no ammunition. I got the ammo and so did my squad.

I would like to see the UCMJ address this situation that to seem armed and not be armed, is unlawful.

35 posted on 04/10/2002 1:17:07 PM PDT by elbucko
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson