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To: Roscoe
Both forms of slavery are illegal under the 13th Amendment, Libertarian opposition to our Constitution notwithstanding.

You're right. Such a contract as he was talking about would not be allowed under the federal constitution.

My understanding is that libertarians don't oppose the federal constitution; they want the federal government to stay within its limits, with includes the 9th and 10th amendments. And those amendments would (as they supposed to) make certain activities regulatable only at the state level.

They don't realize that to do that, citizenship would have to return to being established at the state level and the 14th amendment repealed, which would automatically make the states sovereign again with respect to the federal. And hell would freeze over before the feds did that, voluntarily.

Seems few people realize just how much change the war between the states made to the structure of government the founders set up. I think that's because only relatively recently have the feds begun to dare exercise the powers actually transfered to them in 1868.

238 posted on 03/28/2002 10:36:01 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
Actually, FedGov started to do that during the Wilson administration when the Supremes gave that phoney ruling that Roscoe cites, "proving" that the draft is not involuntary servitude... then came the incredibly rotten 16th and 17th amendments and then came the "New Deal," the effects of which are so beloved by authoritarians everywhere, INCLUDING those on this site. However, IMNSHO, the 17th amendment was one of the MAJOR contributors to the FedGov behemoth, as it removed about the last vestiges of State oversight on FedGov activities, namely the APPOINTMENT of Senators by either governors or State Legislatures... since then FedGov has been almost TOTALLY unrestrained... and we are paying a heavy price for that.
239 posted on 03/28/2002 10:57:59 AM PST by dcwusmc
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