[KC Burke]

Rather than justifying slavery under some convoluted form, I see their arguements just being formulated in a defense of metaphysical "contract" and "rights". So what else is new?

Fair debate and honest expression of differences on politics are hearty institutions on this forum. Expecting either side to be totaly consistant in internet dialogue is ridiculous. Should I hold you responsible for inconsistancies of every poster who sides with you? Certainly not.

The historical record is clear. The Federalists ignored the cautions of the Anti-Federalists and the continuance of slavery and the eventual civil war made the 13th a politcal remedy. LOL, libertarians are politically mad, IMHO, for lots of other reasons but some word games here don't do either side any justice.

[Roscoe]

"Indentured service is by definition voluntary. The individual subjecting themselves to indenture, does so, voluntarily. If he did not grant his permission to enter into service, he would not be indentured." OWK

Seems to go beyond mere nuance.