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To: A.J.Armitage
I fully understand your point but do not agree with it one bit. Sometimes we see arguments eschewing any use of police force against many such crimes and misdemeanors. "Do you want to go so far as murdering someone who smokes crack?! 'Cause that's just what will happen if the crack smoker refuses to comply with the police: they kill 'im! You want that?! You prepared to do that?! To go that far?!" It's really a non-argument. Smoking crack, as an example, is not an automatic death-by-cop sentence. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, as conservatives believe. Only whiney liberals try to excuse every evil act as the supposed fault of society somehow. By that argument all manner of civil infractions would have to be excused, from jaywalking to littering to any of the misdemeanors and even non-capital felonies.
195 posted on 03/24/2002 11:54:38 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
By that argument all manner of civil infractions would have to be excused, from jaywalking to littering to any of the misdemeanors and even non-capital felonies.

No those things effect others. Jaywalking impairs the flow of traffic. Littering spoils areas owned by the public. Two sodomites packing fudge effects only the two fudge packers. If God doesn't like them packing fudge He will punish them. (perhaps by giving them AIDS) We shouldn't try to do God's job for Him. We'll just screw it up.

196 posted on 03/25/2002 12:03:15 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Cultural Jihad
I fully understand your point but do not agree with it one bit.

Evidently you don't understand it.

Sometimes we see arguments eschewing any use of police force against many such crimes and misdemeanors. "Do you want to go so far as murdering someone who smokes crack?! 'Cause that's just what will happen if the crack smoker refuses to comply with the police: they kill 'im! You want that?! You prepared to do that?! To go that far?!" It's really a non-argument. Smoking crack, as an example, is not an automatic death-by-cop sentence.

My point was about force, not death. Moving things back to the topic of the thread, laws against sodomy involve punishments, right? So you're talking about kidnapping or fining a sodomite. These not only have to be enforced by force, they are force. Since sodomy isn't a crime, but a different kind of sin, force against a sodomite is a crime of its own.

Everyone is responsible for their own actions, as conservatives believe. Only whiney liberals try to excuse every evil act as the supposed fault of society somehow.

I know that you exist in a half-hallucinogenic fog at all times and try to make allowences, but this is silly. Have I blamed society for anything, let alone homosexuality? In fact, the one blaming society for it is you, by making it society's fault for not punishing it.

240 posted on 03/25/2002 4:16:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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