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To: Lazarus Long;enlightiator
Allright, I'll debate the specifics of your stupid drivel:
Yeah, the U.S. has a long and inglorious history of supporting bin Laden and Mulsim terrorists.
The US has been the supporter of underdogs and (that means as well as) anyone who needed help in their wars against the USSR in the cold war. Can't appreciate international politics, diplomacy, and intrigue, suggest you take a break from Sunday school. Who the hell are you to suggest that the US is a supporter of terror!

Below you make reference to the US as "we", and I submit that you don't deserve to be an American.
We supported Muslim terrorists in the Balkans.
Wrong, the US supported Bosnian civilians who were being butchered by the Yugoslav army.
We supported Muslim terrorists in Chechnya.
Wrong, the US supported Chechnian civilians who were being butchered by the Russian army.
We supported Muslim terrorists (led by bin Laden) in Afghanistan (in the 80's).
Wrong, the US supported Afghani civilians who were being butchered by the Russian army. That during the cold war when the USSR was probably your favourite, you shoulda just gone to live there, traitor!
We supported Muslim terrorists in Iraq (also in the 80's).
Wrong, the US supported a military balance to Iran, until Saddam started to flip.
We continue to support the hub of Muslim terrorism -- the Saudi Regime.
Wrong, the US kept it's energy interests in it's pocket, the cheapest way possible. The alternative would have been harder times for you, which might have produced a better man instead of the backstabbing whimp you are!
We continue to spew forth the nonsense that "Islam is a religion of peace."
The only spewing of sewage is what's coping from your IP address.
Will we ever, ever learn?
I'll say that you and those like you will never never learn, inspite of all the good the USA has done for you. You should not have done all those drugs I suppose.
31 posted on 03/23/2002 4:55:48 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
Lazarus Long: We supported Muslim terrorists (led by bin Laden) in Afghanistan (in the 80's).

a_Turk: Wrong, the US supported Afghani civilians who were being butchered by the Russian army. That during the cold war when the USSR was probably your favourite, you shoulda just gone to live there, traitor!

Correct, but don't let him get away with the Chomsky cribbing claim that the U.S. (or its agencies) supported or worked with bin Laden. We did not. UBL was a free-lancer in Afghanistan during the Soviet War. He brought in supplies, equipment and recruits for the anti-Soviet effort in general, without tying himself to any particular organization.

UBL certainly "networked" with other Arabs in Afghanistan during the Soviet war, and earned the respect and even deference of many, but contra Lazarus he did not "lead" anyone, not even the fighters he personally recruited. Furthermore the CIA could not have worked with UBL even if they had wanted to or felt the need to. Even then UBL was urging his fellow Arabs NOT to co-operate with the U.S., and he would certainly never have done so himself.

Bin Laden genuinely believed the Afghans and the Arab fighters could and should defeat the Soviets by themselves, without American help. Retrospectively he believes that they essentially did in fact do so (i.e. that American assistance had a minimal impact, and was really unnecessary, and that the Soviets would have been driven out without the Americans pitching in). These beliefs were and are, of course, thoroughly delusional, but the point is the UBL was so deluded, and would never have accepted any sort of American help.

Notice that when you read these assertions that we "helped" or "worked with" Bin Laden, it is always in the form of a bald assertion, without specifics or documentation.

62 posted on 03/24/2002 5:53:58 AM PST by Stultis
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To: a_Turk;Lazarus Long;enlightiator
Turk,

Please tell us about the Kurdish civilians who are being butchered by the Turkish army.

64 posted on 03/24/2002 6:18:28 AM PST by F-117A
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