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--I would think centralization will become dominant. Even more of a monopolistic approach to the necessities of life, with only the luxuries being decentralised. For example-food. Food is likely to become the purveyor of under half a dozen major international corporations, especially after GM recombinant gene seeds reduce availability of farmers to only a few suppliers. Wind born pollen will eventually eliminate all normal food stocks except the corporate issued stocks. In turn, only their chemicals will even allow the food to be grown. Processing and packaging and shipping and retailing-again, many smaller looking companies, all under the umbrella of huge international parent companies control and ownership.

Water resources will fall under UN mandate for the most part, local state or even national control will be minimalized. Very severe water use restrictions and meters on even privarte wells will become normal.

Firearms ownership again will start to fall under more and more centralised control under these UN treaties/agreements/ whatever they are called. One step at a time, nothing terribly dramatic overnight that might spark any resistance movement of note, just creeping incrementalism. Their formula is fabulous, work on types, never entire classes or the entire spectrum all at once. "Assault" weapons is a good example.

The media-more and more mega corporations control at the top, and with the political power to institute change to both protect their monopolies and to shape public opinion. Control of internet content-happening in many nations already, my guess is here in the US in not the too distant future. Broad classifications of "hate speech". The ability of foreign nations to institute lawsuits against us companies/content providers and prhaps even solitary individuals. The france/yahoo case comes to mind now.

Perpetual war for perpetual profits-already sorta obvious. We have a war against the al queda, but it happened in the midst of other wars, with more to come. In the background as always, large international corporations who are "cvonveniently" there to egg it on for their "bottom line" purposes. Always denied of course, but after 6783 "coincidences" of this nature it's hard to not notice the parallels.

Banking and finance. Small town individual banks are disappearing. Regional banks are now more the norm, and my guess is international will be next.

Retail-more entities like superwalmarts-much less local independent merchants-simply no possible way they can compete. Every area that has one of these large places built loses perhaps dozens of local merchants. Watched a funny King of the Hill cartoon episode last week on this. Hank Hill works for strickland propane, the local propane supplier. Megalomart moves in, undercuts them so bad they go under, Hank is forced to lose his job when they shut down, he eventually becomes just another low paid "associate" in the propane department at megalomart. Pretty obvious again this is a takeoff on that. Centralised control.

Public education. Federal government now is inexorably intertwined with local school boards. Carrot and the stick. Must follow federal guidelines, which in turn have come from UN guidelines. Want money beyuond local propoerty taxes? Again, centralised federal money transferred, obviously to help promote centralization. Class/school/community projects directly out of the UN like community 'earth day" efforts. Dumbed down US history taught. and etc. outcome based education as worker classes are identified early and steered into the appropriate social strata. things of this nature.

Policing. Major efforts to bring state and local policing under the aegis of the federal government-dual badging is now common, even if severely under reported or admited to. In addition the blurring of military and police. Now in full swing, quite common for even tiny towns to have full 'swat' teams and to have federal "officers" with them on 'raids".

I could go on those are just some of the obvious ones. My suspicion is the bulk of them have all originated behind the scenes from international profits perspectives. I call it ideaology laundering- a spin on money laundering- wash and obscure and hide as much as possible the origins of the efforts, slap a label on them for public consumption, then they become law and "culture". The buzz words change constantly, but the direction is always constant and one > way, towards centralization and global corporatism. When one faction of the globalists is in temporary "power", it's 'for the children", now that it's done it's normal choice "switch" it's called anti terrorism and patriotic. Like who wants to be labeled as anti-children or anti -anti- terrorism or anti patriotic or against "homeland defense'?

Centralised command and control, the control part is the most insidious as most of the time the control isn't even noted in it's entirety, with the command aspect exactly that- you are commanded to be under control, you may talk about dissent, but you may not DO dissent. A very large difference there. . Sometimes small snippets of the control are fought over, but this increases lower level fractional and factional differences that keep people from "noticing" or responding to what I see as the gestalt of the centralization efforts.

Interesting times

125 posted on 03/25/2002 6:03:41 AM PST by zog
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126 posted on 03/25/2002 6:06:57 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: zog
Once again you raise excellent points. People in affluent, safe and settled societies tend to grow more docile and dependent. Though I think some of the libertarians overdo their protests, this is something that really comes home now at tax time. We submit to a lot of things that a truly free peoples wouldn't -- at least not as a matter of course. So it's possible and likely that we will submit to ever more government impositions and infringements of our freedom and independence.

If I'm inclined to see cause for hope, it's in the fact that we are less childishly grateful to governments and other powers than our fathers, grandfathers or great-grandfathers were to Mr. Roosevelt.

Most people do lack the physical bravery and self-sufficient economic independence of past generations, but their minds are freer. Many of them at least are more inclined to question. The personal computer in particular may have a decentralizing effect both in terms of communications, education and knowledge and in terms of production. What it will take to crush this intellectual independence is another big crisis or collapse on par with the Great Depression or the World Wars that would turn apathy and cynicism into enthusiastic acceptance of a new order.

I could be wrong about this. Maybe passive acceptance is enough for the system to increase its power over people. Maybe a crisis when the system ceases to provide for us would spark rebellion rather than repression.

But it's hard for me to visualize such a future tyranny. Would people be mindless drones or automatons? Or would they be more or less as we are now when we obediently comply with income tax and other laws? And if they will be they are now, could it be that the change has already happened and that we ourselves are what we fear?

In a future tyranny would we would lack the power to change things? Would we become such slaves that we would embrace things as they are and not want to change them? Or would we think of UN or corporate or federal control as something like Social Security or TVA that's there and too much trouble to get rid of.

Of course technologies do exist and can be developed that would change humanity to such a degree that these questions will all become moot. All bets on the human mind and spirit's ability to rebel would be off. Maybe that is what will happen.

I think you are right about "divide and conquer." A town like Ithaca, NY or Amherst, MA might oppose chain stores and multinational corporations but enthusiastically embrace political correctness and the UN agenda. Another might complain about what they teach in the schools, but have no objection to things going on far away, whether in the Rockies and Alaska or in the "Third World." Yet another community might reject all these things, but sell its soul to get a prison or a public works project. By giving people what they want on one set of issues shrewd powers can get what they want out of them on another.

Finally, your idea of "ideological laundering" is an important one. Many people turn to journalists and columnists to find out what they should believe as conservatives or liberals, rightists or leftists. The journalists who put newspapers, magazines and websites have their own agendas and interests which don't always conside with those of the many readers or the general public. It pays to ask when you read something, "How am I being manipulated?" or "What are they trying to get me to think?"

The idea that the media has that you, the reader, and your attention is the product that they are buying and selling is true, and not just in terms of advertising. All of us and our attitudes are also things that they are buying and seling, processing and changing, so it pays to beware.

The problem is that if one rejects all prefabricated ideologies and try to figure it out for oneself from scratch, one wouldn't be able to get anything done. People rely on the situation close at hand and fall back on the idea that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," because if you are always thinking that the "enemy of my enemy may also be my enemy" it would make life unbearable. Certainly, though, it is important not to let oneself be manipulated.

128 posted on 03/25/2002 8:11:36 AM PST by x
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To: zog
Everybody seems to want local banks, because local banks treat them better, but as you note regional and national banking chains are replacing them.

Is this a result of economic laws or of our real, as opposed to our professed, preferences as consumers? Or are other factors involved? Are we fated to end up with a handful of big banks running things?

That's what happened with railroads and other businesses, and it may be how things are in other countries. The same information technology that makes it theoretically possible for people to enter a business may make also it nevertheless inevitable that big competitors will be more profitable and squeeze you new small entrants. The degree of regulation and paperwork is also a major factor.

Is it economically inevitable given the way banking and other businesses work that mergers will continue concentrating the market in ever fewer hands? And is it a given that we won't change the laws back to restrict chain banking as they once did? These are questions that touches our lives everyday, and I'd be interested if anybody had any answers.

130 posted on 03/25/2002 8:25:32 AM PST by x
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