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To: Wallaby

Intelligence Newsletter?

Maybe just "Newsletter" would have been more correct.

So, the Birchers are pro-Clinton/Gore these days?

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:22:35 PST by Deb

To: Deb

This is not from Spotlight. It is a column named "Spotlight" in Intelligence Newsletter.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:22:36 PST by Wallaby

To: Deb

Perhaps you didn't find this thread of mine:

How Mr Clean got his hands dirty [The Gores, Armand Hammer, and Oxy Petroleum]

I trust it does not make me a Bircher to believe the KGB files that show Armand Hammer, Gore benefactor, was a Soviet "agent of influence"?

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:26:23 PST by Wallaby

To: Deb

Sorry -- I see now. You have the mistaken belief that the article I posted above is from the John Birch Society. It isn't.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:28:54 PST by Wallaby
To: slym and Wallaby

slym, I think you're right about the Bush crowd. They don't want to hear anything bad about their guy, because their minds are already made up. (Most of them, anyway)

This really reminds me of '92, when Clinton ran the first time. There were warning signs left and right... But the Democrats ignored them. I knew Clinton was bad news, and I told anyone that would listen... but people voted for him anyway.

Now its the Republican's turn to be duped. I'm seeing the same things. People making excuses for him, ignoring the red flags.... Its deja-vu all over again.

Wallaby, thanks for posting this. I'm bookmarking it.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:29:14 PST by incindiary

To: Deb

I didn't know you needed a subscription. I thought you bought 'em in the same rack where you find Weekly World News. Wait....that IS the Weekly World News....er, or is it?....I'm so confused! (loosens foil headband)

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:31:13 PST by seadevil

To: Wallaby

I have "Dossier", I've read "Dossier" and I know all about Armand Hammer and Gore Sr. This is no huge revelation, but what is the Intelligence Newsletter?

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:39:19 PST by Deb

To: incindiary, slym, and Wallaby

Bush -- Clinton -- Jackson Stephens -- BCCI -- Mena -- CIA -- Dubya

Amazing that all of these are interwoven and tied together in recent history. This, my friends, is why the election of Dubya just means more of the same.

We must SLAY THIS OCTOPUS! Merely replacing it's left tentacle with its right tentacle does absolutely no good whatsoever.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:39:56 PST by Arator

To: incindiary

Yeah, you be sure and bookmark this. This is exactly the kind of bullshit you'd go for. Congratulations, you never disappoint.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:42:45 PST by Deb

To: Arator

Welcome!! It wouldn't be a party of the loonies without the head moron.

Now all you little Forkers keep repeating...THE CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST STOP CIA...THE CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST STOP CIA...(repeat till you pass out)

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:46:11 PST by Deb

To: Deb

>what is the Intelligence Newsletter?

See

Intelligence Newsletter

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:47:58 PST by Wallaby

To: Arator

Ok...please delineate your plan for "slaying this octopus."

And unless you are prepared to make it illegal for the 90-95% of likely voters - who have pretty much already decided whom they are going to vote for - to vote, "VOTE THIRD PARTY" is not a viable plan.

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:51:14 PST by seadevil

To: Deb

And you keep telling yourself, "Bush is good. Bush can win. Bush is not a globalist. Bush is not a puppet. Everyone else is lying. They're lying, lying, lying!"

Come on, Deb, start your chant.... "Bush is good...Bush can win..."

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:54:54 PST by incindiary

To: Deb

Deb:

Thanks for bashing these morons. If I ever fall out with my dear wife and cats (not likely, I'll tell you), you would instantly become the next most sane person in the world that I would look to as a solid Republican female anchor of the faith.

Please keep up the constructive abuse of these people who lack clue #1-5000+.

Thanks -

SFConservative

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:57:49 PST by SFConservative

To: Wallaby

So the article is from '92. Why do you suppose nothing has ever been made of this? Think real hard. You can do it, come on...why?

And don't forget what the KGB says...THE CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST STOP CIA...BUSH BAD...BUSH CIA...CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST ELECT AL GORE

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:58:56 PST by Deb

To: Wallaby

I'll save the shrubbery some time here:

Disruptor-

Heretic-

Mudslinger-

Nothing to see here folks... move along-

Posted on 03/09/2000 00:59:54 PST by IllumiNOTi

To: Wallaby

FYI: Osama Bin Laden is a Brit who lived in London for most of his life. He was great-looking, fantastically rich and because of his dad's connections, belonged to lots and lots of private men's clubs. Imagine everyone's shock when he decided to use his money to wage a private war against the US?

Everyone in England has an Osama story, with your stupid "Six Degrees of Separation" theory they're all guilty of whatever you're attempting to smear GW with.

Here's an idea...Why don't you break out of the left-wing goofball useful idiot club you're in and post portions of the "Sword and the Shield" or the Venona Report? Then everyone could see how the KGB has spent the past 50 years trying to discredit and eliminate their greatest enemy, the CIA.

You, Boyd and the KGB have a lot in common that way. Coincidence?

Posted on 03/09/2000 01:14:00 PST by Deb

To: IllumiNOTi

Oh, look...it's Pigboy. Still stalking I see.

This is the perfect group for you too. Come on in, sit down and put up your feet. Of course, they're not as vile as you, but they're every bit as nuts.

Have fun...

Posted on 03/09/2000 01:19:08 PST by Deb

To: seadevil

"VOTE THIRD PARTY" is not a viable plan.

It's the only plan that can work, and it will work, if a critical mass of Americans resolve to resist their programming and make it work!

Ventura's win in MN proves it can happen. Whether it does happen is ultimately up to us. One courageous, up-yours vote against the establishment at a time, and we'll get there. It's our only hope.

All Buchanan will need is a 35% plurality in an electoral vote majority of states. If conservatives would break free from the GOP and dare to challenge the system for real, it could happen. But each of us has to resolve to make it happen.

Posted on 03/09/2000 01:33:09 PST by Arator

To: Deb

This link (to www.intelligenceonline.com) will take you directly to the page where Wallaby probably found the first article he posted. I've occasionally visited the site over the past couple of years and they usually have some interesting articles, though subscription or payment (in Euros) is required to read them in their entirety.

26 Posted on 03/09/2000 01:35:14 PST by Dexter Wang

To: Deb

"Now all you little Forkers keep repeating...THE CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST STOP CIA...THE CIA IS OUR ENEMY...MUST STOP CIA...(repeat till you pass out)"

LMAO!

Posted on 03/09/2000 01:46:22 PST by wills

To: Deb

Mr. Edwards has been a Friend of Bill since at least 1969, when he briefly shared an apartment in England with Mr. Clinton and Strobe Talbott, the current deputy secretary of state. He vacationed with the Clintons on the Riviera, according to "Off the Books, " by Robert Hutchison (William Morrow, 1986). Mr. Edwards was instrumental in the Saudi contribution for a Middle East studies center at the University of Arkansas announced just after the presidential election. He was on hand for the president's emotional departure from Little Rock for Washington (see the rendering of an Associated Press photo). On a visit to Little Rock the weekend before the suicide of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster, the president spent a four hour dinner alone with Mr. Edwards.
A Mysterious Investor
Mr. Edwards and his brother Mark now run their own Little Rock investment placement firm, Edwards Brothers. While Mr. Edwards refused repeated requests for interviews for this article, his principal client appears to be a mysterious Jidda investor, Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, who at one time owned nearly 10% of Little Rock's Worthen Bank. Before leaving to form their own firm in 1990, both brothers worked for Stephens Inc., the powerhouse Arkansas investment firm that handled the brokerage when Middle Eastern front men for the Bank of Credit & Commerce International made an early attempt to buy First American Bank in Washington, D.C. While at Stephens, Mr. Edwards also played an important role in securing an offshore drilling contract in Bahrain for Harken Energy Corp., on whose board sat George W. Bush, presidential son and current governor of Texas.

("Who Is David Edwards?" by Micah Morrison, The Wall Street Journal, 1995 March 1)

Posted on 03/09/2000 02:02:25 PST by Wallaby

To: Wallaby

There might be some other people on this forum willing to listen ... But you're wasting your time with Deb. She would never believe anything bad about W. Remember? Just like the Clinton supporters who never, ever believe anything bad about Slick. Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, all the gates.... All lies. Vince Foster really did commit suicide, the 100 names on the Clinton body count are all coincidences. "Its all a vast right-wing conspiracy!"

You're dealing with the same type of closed-minds here. Except they are Republicans.

Posted on 03/09/2000 02:16:29 PST by incindiary

To: Wallaby

Here is the winning ticket!

30 Posted on 03/09/2000 02:43:19 PST by SubMareener

To: SubMareener

Like I said before, reverse it,and I would vote for it.

Posted on 03/09/2000 03:07:07 PST by founder fan

To: SubMareener

These bumper stickers suit W better:

Posted on 03/09/2000 03:11:48 PST by incindiary

To: Deb

"Oh, look...it's Pigboy. Still stalking I see.

This is the perfect group for you too. Come on in, sit down and put up your feet. Of course, they're not as vile as you, but they're every bit as nuts.

Have fun..."

The acidic vitriol you display towards myself and those that face reality as it is reveals a lot about your true motives and agenda. To even the casual observer reading this it is plain to see that the truth is nowhere to be found in that agenda. As regards vile behavior- you are well versed in that arena so I'll take your word for it.

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:00:33 PST by IllumiNOTi

To: Wallaby

There is a related story on this topic which I posted a week or so ago. An excerpt reads:

"Most reports involving Bush's insider oil stock trades refer only to his highly controversial June 22, 1990, million dollar trade made six weeks before Gulf War hostilities broke out in Kuwait -- a trade which was reported eight months later. However, SEC documents between 1986 and 1993 show that Bush acquired 212,152 shares of Harken stock on Nov. 1, 1986, at the time he merged his Spectrum 7 company with Harken. But the future governor did not report the transaction until April 7, 1987 -- more than five months later.

When Bush filed late on April 7,1987, SEC filings show he had purchased another 80,000 shares on March 10, 1987. But strangely, two weeks later, an April 22 filing noted that the 80,000-share purchase was backdated to Dec. 10, 1986. When questioned by the media, Bush's attorney said it was the same 80,000 shares but he could not explain the discrepancy regarding the purchase dates or why Bush even reported the trade two times.

Another SEC filing, this from June 6, 1989, showed that Bush purchased another 25,000 shares of Harken but again waited more than four months to report the transaction.

The Houston Post, recognizing Bush's late SEC filings, noted that he "took eight months to notify the government of his sale of stock in a company on whose board he served" and "also missed the filing deadline for reporting other insider trades involving Harken Energy."

Documents obtained by the Post showed "additional instances in which Bush ... ran afoul of the SEC rule requiring notification." And George W. described himself as a "small, insignificant" Harken stockholder; but news reports examining SEC documents identified Bush as the third largest non-institutional investor.

Bush in Bahrain

In October 1991, Time Magazine questioned why the tiny country of Bahrain would stake so much of its financial future on Harken Energy, which it labeled an "obscure, money-losing company with no refineries and no experience in offshore oil exploration." But the magazine also noted that oil-insiders speculated that Bahrain's rulers saw the arrangement as a way to gain influence with the Bush administration.

Mysteriously, primary reporters have also ignored what could point to a nexus regarding foreign policy and personal financial interests. Interestingly, the Village Voice in January 1991 reported that in 1990 the Bush administration signed an agreement with Bahrain that chose the small country as the permanent principal allied base in the Middle East, although it was some 200 miles away from the hostilities in Iraq and Kuwait.

The military-base deal came after Harken announced its Jan. 30, 1990, joint oil-drilling venture with Bahrain. So President Bush's key contributors and his son George W. were carrying on personal financial business with Bahrain at the same time decisions were being made regarding the possibility of a war in the Gulf."

You can read the whole thread here

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:12:21 PST by IllumiNOTi

To: incindiary

Part of the problem with conveying this information to the general population is that it's very complicated to follow. The Harken situation (there was a really good post a few weeks ago) is not good, but how to explain it? And, the GWB supporters will stand by their man. (Would a pro choice running mate bother them? I wonder.)

Immigration, WTO, NATO atrocity in Kosovo, globalism, these are understandable to the average voter. How the rich get richer isn't.

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:14:39 PST by grania

To: grania

Hi grania! You are absolutely right. It was the same with Clinton. Some scandals were too complex for people to understand, and they didn't want to take the time to learn about them.

It just bothers me that the Bushies are showing the same "head in the sand" mentality that the Clinton supporters did. I'm disappointed with that, and I've lost respect for the people who will condemn corruption from the Democrats, but ignore corruption from Republicans.

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:24:34 PST by incindiary

To: Arator, Wallaby

"Bush -- Clinton -- Jackson Stephens -- BCCI -- Mena -- CIA -- Dubya. Amazing that all of these are interwoven and tied together in recent history. This, my friends, is why the election of Dubya just means more of the same."

That was my exact thought when I read Jackson Stephens' name. We had a poster a few months ago--I've not seen him since--who said he'd worked for the Pentagon several years ago and was shocked to see that people at the top with strong ideological differences on the campaign trail were close buddies off the trail. The only time they exercised their differences was during the next election cycle. Sadly, we voters are really just useful dupes to them.

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:36:33 PST by Pamela

To: Wallaby

Observe the new arrogance, and extrapolate it's stench past January.

Observe the new Compromisers, and see where Principle over Party stands.

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:36:37 PST by NDCORUP

To: Deb

Deeeeeeeeehb!...these guys are still at it! (A+bert still sleeping , tho)

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:37:12 PST by prognostigaator

To: incindiary

Look. No candidate is perfect.

This information is not great and will be used by the Dems to bash Bush, no doubt.

(Could this possibly be the reason the Clintonoids have used Osama Bin Ladeen as the boogie man in seemingly every anti-American event these past few years....they KNEW who their Repub opponent would be....????? and blew up the aspiring factory and the emtpy camp in Afghanistan after likely blowing up OUR OWN EMBASSIES in the 2 AFrican countries to justify their "response"?????

Guess who CONTROLS the CIA now? It isn't GWBush or GBush Sr. If you guessed Clinton/Gore, you win.

Guess who CONTROLS the FBI now? same answer.

Guess who CONTROLS the Injustice Dept now? same answer.

Guess who has GIVEN our military secrets and our technical secrets in exchange for campaign cash to an avowed enemey who is threatening to nuke us? same answer

Yes there were "warning signs" about Clinton.

Of course there were.

He has a trail of dead bodies, intimidated and bribed "opponents", and a mass of corrupt or criminal associates (including his UNCLE's Dixie mafia buddies, and his modern organized crime members who have made friends with Clinton/Gore)

Bush has friends in the Saudi Arabian community. Okay.

But show me the trail of death, the history of abuse of power by himself, the threats, the intimidations, the crushing destruction GWB has exercised against his foes as well as his history of assaults on women - and I'll listen to you.

Of course, I guess, you'd rather we be nuked by Red China or absorbed by Clinton/Gore Enviroglobalists then be befriended by some Saudi money men????

Posted on 03/09/2000 04:55:10 PST by Freedom'sWorthIt

To: Deb

BTT

43 Posted on 03/09/2000 05:13:01 PST by flanew

To: NDCORUP

well said, ND.

Posted on 03/09/2000 05:27:34 PST by thinden

To: Wallaby

> and, alas, GWB.

Do we need any more reminders that power corrupts? Even so, it is amazing how much corruption you can buy for the piddly $1,800,000,000,000 that Washington, D.C. sucks out of us every year.

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:03:53 PST by T'wit

To: thinden

The "bandwagon" is pulled by a bunch of sheep with blinders on. Just can't afford to feed those big Draft Horses anymore.

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:11:53 PST by NDCORUP

To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Freedom'sWorthIt
"Bush has friends in the Saudi Arabian community. Okay.

Of course, I guess, you'd rather we be nuked by Red China or absorbed by Clinton/Gore Enviroglobalists then be befriended by some Saudi money men????"

This is what this whole thread boils down to: NO BIG DEAL WHEN COMPARED TO OUR OTHER CHOICE - AL 'SCHEMING' GORE!

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:20:25 PST by ChaseR

To: incindiary

"slym, I think you're right about the Bush crowd. They don't want to hear anything bad about their guy, because their minds are already made up. (Most of them, anyway)"

It's not that people don't want to hear this. The fact is we have heard it, over and over, and over, and over. As with most all accusations, they have been proven bogus.. That's why they get a ho hum...

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:28:49 PST by Texas Mom

To: Deb

"but what is the Intelligence Newsletter? "

An oxymoron.

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:30:15 PST by Texas Mom

To: 34665287

you are really Debs husband using her screen name right cause ladies where I come from don't spew this kind of venom...

Wrong!

It was me.

Deb's out getting her nails done (sharper). On her way home She'll be going to Her finishing school (BRIGHTER ). Her last stop will be Deb's Culinary Class where She'll be lecturing on how to prepare and serve liberal assholes, disrupters and prissy nincompoops.

Posted on 03/09/2000 06:32:25 PST by Socks C.

To: Wallaby

GWB was in the oil business...the Arabs were in the oil business...duh...it is what they do/did for a living.

I work with research scientists, does that mean I am a rocket scientist? (You surely are not)

As a young girl, I worked as a housekeeper for a member of the Mafia, does that make me a hitman?

These obscure references are ridiculous.

Posted on 03/09/2000 07:47:05 PST by ravingnutter

To: incindiary

The question is why the candidates don't bring up the issues that are understandable. I thought Dr. Keyes let us down when he made his big push for abortion opposition while no one was supporting abortion on the Republican side. With his verbal and intellectual skills he could've done much better with stating his positions about Kosovo intervention (against), WTO, immigration. I got the feeling he was tilting toward GWB and as a result he didn't bring up issues where GWB doesn't look too good. Maybe they're all just globalists except for the candidates already knocked out of the major party races.

This campaign is beginning to look like a Yale-Harvard football game. It's silly to be enemies for a few hours, but what the heck, they'll all hoist a few after it's all over, they're all really on the same side.

Posted on 03/09/2000 07:51:11 PST by grania

To: Pamela

"my exact thought when I read Jack's name"

jack has made a pretty good livin workin both sides of the street.

Posted on 03/09/2000 09:49:47 PST by thinden

To: Wallaby

The 'not our guy' brigade never shows up on Gore posts.

Never have. Hmmm. [Well, I take that back. There was the one neophyte who wondered why we never looked at Bush][Oy]

I need to get me one of them '-R' bullet-proof coats. Worked for Ollie.

Posted on 03/09/2000 19:56:36 PST by Boyd

To: Boyd

"I need to get me one of them '-R' bullet-proof coats"

Man, DON'T buy one of them that was made in China! It's a devious Trick! Now when I take a drink, I LEAK.

Posted on 03/10/2000 06:37:38 PST by NDCORUP

To: Boyd

(Should've known, it says "Made from KREVLAR")

Posted on 03/10/2000 06:39:09 PST by NDCORUP

To: Wallaby

Thanks Wallaby. I've never seen a FReeper poster take such flak for posting articles written by others. Hang in there dude;^)

Posted on 03/11/2000 10:35:10 PST by Fred Mertz

To: Sandy

Thanks for the WSJ article, Sandy.

Posted on 03/11/2000 14:13:36 PST by Wallaby

To: Texas Mom

Yes, Texas Mom, you are right... Repetition without results merely generates boredom.

To change the topic slightly, the Dems know this as well. That's why their current mantra on the leaked LaBella Report, "That's an old story... let's move on" actually works for them. If the mainstream media doesn't raise a fuss, the sheeple just shrug and sooner or later the issue drops off their radar screens.

Nonetheless, a BUMP for Wallaby and his valuable archives. Maybe someday historians will care. Or will they too be "Ho Hum" about the events of the last 2 decades of the 20th century?

Posted on 03/12/2000 21:27:21 PST by slym

To: incindiary

I like this bumpersticker I've see in the Quarter of late:

DARTH W. BUSH

Someone's having some fun.

Posted on 03/13/2000 15:39:34 PST by Askel5

To: Askel5

lol ;-)

BTTT

Posted on 03/13/2000 20:36:06 PST by incindiary

To: Wallaby

File maintenance ... regards.

Posted on 04/01/2000 23:52:01 PST by Askel5

To: Wallaby......US Sovereignty is the issue

Bttt!!!!!!!!

Posted on 04/14/2000 22:02:51 PDT by eazdzit

To: This Is Why I Won't Vote Bush

BTTT...

Posted on 07/10/2000 20:36:40 PDT by John Huang Is A Chinese Spy

To: Wallaby

I thought this was vintage Micheal Rivero stuff. Nice try DNC boy.

Posted on 07/10/2000 20:39:46 PDT by The South Texan

To: AskeI5

Bttt

Posted on 07/28/2000 17:55:54 PDT by Uncle Bill

To: John Huang Is A Chinese Spy

Bttt

Posted on 07/28/2000 20:24:49 PDT by Uncle Bill

To: Uncle Bill sure does find the good stuff - Bush league, try this

bttt

Posted on 07/28/2000 20:43:13 PDT by arcane

To: Wallaby

I wonder what unsavory characters might own stock in the same companies I do. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Posted on 07/28/2000 20:47:24 PDT by Dog Gone

To: Dog Gone

Most folks think they know about Clinton and Bush, yet they know not this man. Unfortunate.

What's Up In Jakarta

Posted on 07/29/2000 00:40:11 PDT by Uncle Bill

To: Uncle Bill

From GoGlobalAccess.com {catchy name, yes?},

International Executive Services Corporation (IESC), a not-for-profit company specializing in the cost-effective delivery of industry-specific expertise through a proprietary database of 13,000 senior U.S. industry experts. Founded by David Rockefeller {why, isn't that "Mr. Globalism" himself} in 1964, IESC delivers technical and managerial assistance in the developing world through volunteers. Over 20,000 technical and managerial assistance projects have been completed in over 100 countries. IESC has a network of over 50 offices throughout the developing world and emerging markets.

Prescott Bush Resources, Ltd.
Founded by Prescott Bush (Jr.) [why, isn't that Dubya's uncle & Poppa Bush's brother], they specialize in structuring joint ventures in China. Since 1978, they have completed over 30 deals in China. Mr. Bush has also facilitated meetings and approvals at the highest levels of the Chinese government.
[Fancy that, Ol' Prescott having contacts at the "highest levels" of the Chicom government. Wonder how that ever happened.]

China International Economic Consulting (CIEC) is a wholly-owned subsidiary of China International Trust and Investment Corporation (CITIC) [Say isn't that Ol' Wang Jun's Chicom intelligence front, the same Wang Jun which visited Bubba in the White House a few times and was represented by Ken Starr's law firm. Wasn't also Wang Jun's PolyGroup the company which got nailed smuggling in the 2000 AK-47s into the U.S. Interesting crowd Prescott Bush runs with, don't you think...but I digress.]
Since its inception in 1981, CIEC has grown to be a leading consulting firm in China, providing diversified advisory services to international clients in investments, management, engineering, trading, accounting and legal affairs. CIEC has two branches, four subsidiaries, four equity or contractual joint-ventures and 2 specialized firms with extensive hands-on experience in China and abroad. With broad external business relations, systematic information services, CIEC has completed over 3,000 assignments and won high praise from domestic and foreign clients, from multinationals to medium and small sized companies. CIEC is registered with World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, UNIDO and UNDP. ###

Posted on 07/29/2000 10:22:27 PDT by metalbird1

To: Deb

Posted on 11/27/2000 19:33:04 PST by Inspector Harry Callahan

To: Deb

err...Did I stumble onto a thread where people posted before taking their evening meds.

Posted on 11/27/2000 19:39:35 PST by seeker41

To: Wallaby

Conspirators, Fanatics, Paranoids. . . Your contributions to the election of President Bush are welcome and have, for the most part, been helpful.

However, it would be advisable for those of you harboring such melodramatic psychodrama to wait until Mr. Bush actually occupies the oval office before carving the poor fellow up with your Bin Laden collaborator tales. When we have more time, we'll be happy to carve you up in return.

Posted on 11/27/2000 19:57:31 PST by Spinoza

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